foreverblue Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, ouch said: We need to drop down then. Top tire Oxford is nothing to write home about from experience. I have been to many good meetings at Oxford, you are spoilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 34 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I have been to many good meetings at Oxford, you are spoilt. That's because you always win there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted May 28 Author Report Share Posted May 28 (edited) tonight's Ekstraliga match at Gorzow got postponed after 4 hours of delay and track work imagine being in that crowd waiting ?? makes b/vue look good at least we got some sort of racing Edited May 28 by AceBelle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 3 minutes ago, AceBelle said: tonight's Ekstraliga match at Gorzow got postponed after 4 hours of delay and track work imagine being in that crowd waiting ?? makes b/vue look good at least we got some sort of racing It definitely doesn't make BV look good! Polish team doesn't let riders out until it is safe. BV have a looser term to what is safe imo. Let's ask Tai if it makes BV look good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted May 28 Author Report Share Posted May 28 4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: It definitely doesn't make BV look good! Polish team doesn't let riders out until it is safe. BV have a looser term to what is safe imo. Let's ask Tai if it makes BV look good who cares about that idiot and no matter what happened on monday it's still the finest track in europe poole can only dream of having a track like that you stick to your gate & go in the championship while we have the SON to have enjoy because i know we will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted May 28 Author Report Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: It definitely doesn't make BV look good! Polish team doesn't let riders out until it is safe. BV have a looser term to what is safe imo. Let's ask Tai if it makes BV look good oh yeah woffinden who can't string a sentence without swearing and also throws a fan to the floor breaking his harm i rest my case !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 3 minutes ago, AceBelle said: who cares about that idiot and no matter what happened on monday it's still the finest track in europe poole can only dream of having a track like that you stick to your gate & go in the championship while we have the SON to have enjoy because i know we will I don't have much time for woffy either and your track is clearly the best in this country, best in europe not so sure. I am planning a trip to the SON hope its better than the other night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted May 28 Author Report Share Posted May 28 Just now, foreverblue said: I don't have much time for woffy either and your track is clearly the best in this country, best in europe not so sure. I am planning a trip to the SON hope its better than the other night! thanks don't worry you will enjoy for sure but we can't guarentee there won't be rain it is manchester 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 29 minutes ago, AceBelle said: tonight's Ekstraliga match at Gorzow got postponed after 4 hours of delay and track work imagine being in that crowd waiting ?? makes b/vue look good at least we got some sort of racing Indy 500 was delayed for around 4 hours on Sunday with a crowd of 300,000 in attendance, Cricket delayed and abandoned tonight. Speedway not the only shambles in town 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracksideView Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 9 hours ago, mikebv said: Something about one of medical team calling it off due to rider safety issues.. ' Risk of unconscious rider drowning in the slop on the outside ' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 21 hours ago, mikebv said: Almost 3 million live within a 45 min drive... If you cannot get 3,000 of them to attend (doesn't have to be the same 3,000 each week), then you might as well give up.. Just 0.1% of the populace... Surely someone with a bit of capability in creating some hype could get more people there given the huge amount of potential? And, given so few meetings now, even more of an opportunity to make every meeting a "stand alone" event.. People would prefer to go to United, City, County etc or the Palace, Opera House, Royal Exchange etc or Odeon, Cineworld, Everyman etc or Museums, Science, Manchester, War etc or Lowry, Whitworth, Manchester Art Gallery. The visit Manchester website lists nearly 500 things to do (of which speedway is one) but like I say people don’t like speedway so you can put any amount of glitter on this particular turd, you ain’t going to get the numbers needed. The tenth thing to do in Ipswich on the visit Suffolk website is “shop for a Suffolk souvenir”. This isn’t a dig at Ipswich but an indication what we’re up against. The other thing to consider is people like to do nothing. Work, home, TV, bed, repeat. They should promote it as a bank/school holiday thrill fest with goodies and baddies, thrills and spills in the same way as WWE because it has as much sporting credibility as WWE. The trouble is the powers that be still try to front us up as an actual sporting contest - with all the entertainment constraints attached - when it’s no such thing when you look how the rules are continually flouted and everyone competes for each other etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 51 minutes ago, ouch said: People would prefer to go to United, City, County etc or the Palace, Opera House, Royal Exchange etc or Odeon, Cineworld, Everyman etc or Museums, Science, Manchester, War etc or Lowry, Whitworth, Manchester Art Gallery. The visit Manchester website lists nearly 500 things to do (of which speedway is one) but like I say people don’t like speedway so you can put any amount of glitter on this particular turd, you ain’t going to get the numbers needed. The tenth thing to do in Ipswich on the visit Suffolk website is “shop for a Suffolk souvenir”. This isn’t a dig at Ipswich but an indication what we’re up against. The other thing to consider is people like to do nothing. Work, home, TV, bed, repeat. They should promote it as a bank/school holiday thrill fest with goodies and baddies, thrills and spills in the same way as WWE because it has as much sporting credibility as WWE. The trouble is the powers that be still try to front us up as an actual sporting contest - with all the entertainment constraints attached - when it’s no such thing when you look how the rules are continually flouted and everyone competes for each other etc. Motorbike racing in virtually the city centre... What a concept....!!!! Let's not tell anyone though.... Shush..... As you say, sell the entertainment, and the riders personalities, rather than trying to make out what you are watching has any semblance of credibility as a bona fide sporting contest.. Give it a bit of hype and (even made up), rivalry and sell the product not the infrastructure around it.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 (edited) When 15,000 people fill the o2 arena to inexplicably watch darts!!! It just shows you what Speedway is up against... let me say that again Darts! At the o2! Edited May 29 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, iainb said: When 15,000 people fill the o2 arena to inexplicably watch darts!!! It just shows you what Speedway is up against... let me say that again Darts! At the o2! Energetic promotion, great atmosphere, simple rules that don’t change everyday, no rain off’s, Not just 15 minutes of action BUT hours and hours play and interaction for a reasonable entrance price!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 3 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: Energetic promotion, great atmosphere, simple rules that don’t change everyday, no rain off’s, Not just 15 minutes of action BUT hours and hours play and interaction for a reasonable entrance price!!!! Yep, absolutely get all that... but at the o2?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Motorbike racing in virtually the city centre... What a concept....!!!! Let's not tell anyone though.... Shush..... As you say, sell the entertainment, and the riders personalities, rather than trying to make out what you are watching has any semblance of credibility as a bona fide sporting contest.. Give it a bit of hype and (even made up), rivalry and sell the product not the infrastructure around it.. The simple truth is todays Speedway Promoters in general are lazy people who can not be bothered to get off their backsides and drum up support. At BV they have the best speedway track and stadium in the country BUT if you ask someone in Manchester where BV is or what’s speedway they haven’t got a clue. The promotion of BV and the sport is zero and that’s why speedway is where it is….basically bust! Edited May 29 by Speedtiger 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 Belle Vue need to……. Have an advert on local radio over an extended period of time. Have an advert in local newspapers over an extended period of time. Have an advertising board on some of the busiest roads in Manchester. Have posters in shops and businesses. Had out flyers in local shopping areas. Have a float or attend local fairs and carnivals. Attend local trade shows. Give out free tickets to schools and businesses. Take bikes and merchandise into schools to accompany the talk they deliver on the sport. Be featured on local tv news’s 4 or 5 times between March and October. Get hours of live and prerecorded coverage on sports/terrestrial channels Have a regular editorial in local papers. Have a 30 minute highlights programme on a local tv satellite station. Form a tie up with local groups and offer free entry and supporters club membership. Attend (and hopefully win) local sports team of the year awards. Just a start but if they did all that it would be just a case of counting the money - wouldn’t it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 10 minutes ago, ouch said: Belle Vue need to……. Have an advert on local radio over an extended period of time. Have an advert in local newspapers over an extended period of time. Have an advertising board on some of the busiest roads in Manchester. Have posters in shops and businesses. Had out flyers in local shopping areas. Have a float or attend local fairs and carnivals. Attend local trade shows. Give out free tickets to schools and businesses. Take bikes and merchandise into schools to accompany the talk they deliver on the sport. Be featured on local tv news’s 4 or 5 times between March and October. Get hours of live and prerecorded coverage on sports/terrestrial channels Have a regular editorial in local papers. Have a 30 minute highlights programme on a local tv satellite station. Form a tie up with local groups and offer free entry and supporters club membership. Attend (and hopefully win) local sports team of the year awards. Just a start but if they did all that it would be just a case of counting the money - wouldn’t it? Always thought that speedway teams should sponsor local football, cricket, rugby leagues etc etc.. Literally thousands of kids from age 8 to 16 playing each week in the locale.. Being watched by thousands of parents.. A captured market... Take a gazebo down wiith the club insignia on with a couple of riders and bikes, to the playing fields with dozens of matches on, on Saturday and Sunday, and dish out plenty of stickers, photos, pens, free/reduced tickets etc . Most leagues have end of season prize givings with trophies being given out so sponsor that too... Direct marketing to exactly the customer base you need to attract, for, relatively to its potential impact, little cost.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 20 minutes ago, mikebv said: Always thought that speedway teams should sponsor local football, cricket, rugby leagues etc etc.. Literally thousands of kids from age 8 to 16 playing each week in the locale.. Being watched by thousands of parents.. A captured market... Take a gazebo down wiith the club insignia on with a couple of riders and bikes, to the playing fields with dozens of matches on, on Saturday and Sunday, and dish out plenty of stickers, photos, pens, free/reduced tickets etc . Most leagues have end of season prize givings with trophies being given out so sponsor that too... Direct marketing to exactly the customer base you need to attract, for, relatively to its potential impact, little cost.. Haven't BV got some kind of link up with Lancs CCC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 12 minutes ago, mikebv said: Always thought that speedway teams should sponsor local football, cricket, rugby leagues etc etc.. Literally thousands of kids from age 8 to 16 playing each week in the locale.. Being watched by thousands of parents.. A captured market... Take a gazebo down wiith the club insignia on with a couple of riders and bikes, to the playing fields with dozens of matches on, on Saturday and Sunday, and dish out plenty of stickers, photos, pens, free/reduced tickets etc . Most leagues have end of season prize givings with trophies being given out so sponsor that too... Direct marketing to exactly the customer base you need to attract, for, relatively to its potential impact, little cost.. All sound sensible logical suggestions from both of you guys…you’d think all of these ideas would be implemented years ago, it’s not rocket science, just hard work and commitment….will any be taken up? No. As far as BV, Lemon, apart from not being up the job, clearly isn’t bothered as he’s paid no matter what the crowd is, it’s not his money going down the drain. Speedway is a business, business is about making money and if you don’t make money you go bust and that’s where the sport is! And the blame lies squarely with is the people running the sport, full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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