Aries Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 (edited) 23 minutes ago, kelvinht said: Tbf, its probably the correct call, and all bar previous one have been correct too. There 'might' be a small window to lay a track and rush through to heat 10, then everyone would complain they'd been short changed with riders being able to ride but not race. Buster can't win.... Come off it Kelvin you’re making excuses to defend your club and your promotion. It isn’t currently the “right call” at all, and people need to stop using that after rain hits as a way of justifying such an early call off. If it pi$$es down all day tomorrow it still won’t justify calling it off more than 24 hours beforehand on a ropey forecast. As has already been said, what is the harm in waiting until tomorrow morning when the forecast will be much more accurate? At the moment, forecast is for rain to end around 2 o clock leaving 5 and a half hours for the track to dry and be worked on. Are the track staff not capable of doing that? Again as has already been said, if rain is forecast pack the track down hard to limit the damage giving you plenty of time to get it in to shape before 7.30. Edited May 15 by Aries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 The forecast doesn't look that bad on the met office tbh. Light rain in afternoon and dry from 5pm. Has to be something else again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, Aries said: This in a nutshell. It seems as if all the stars have to align perfectly for a meeting to go ahead. Perfect weather, every single rider available etc. all just looks a very tired set up to me. I think that's probably the top and bottom of it, a reluctance to run if riders are missing or the weather isn't perfect. And not wanting to spend money flying riders in for a potential rain off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I think that's probably the top and bottom of it, a reluctance to run if riders are missing or the weather isn't perfect. And not wanting to spend money flying riders in for a potential rain off. Before I thought it was about saving pennies but it can't be. Buster is still paying wages for the away meetings but is getting nothing in from the home meetings. So it's gone the other way & he's clearly got money to burn now All very odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Before I thought it was about saving pennies but it can't be. Buster is still paying wages for the away meetings but is getting nothing in from the home meetings. So it's gone the other way & he's clearly got money to burn now All very odd I seem to remember when Martin Rogers owned the club in the 1980s he had a run of home rain offs one season with no income from home meetings but still paying out on away meetings the club was in desperate need to run a home meeting to get some income . Does as you say seem very odd what’s happening at Lynn at present it’s as if the club can’t face another home loss unless there is team changes in the pipeline the season is all but over in terms of making the play offs anyway but have to complete fixtures at some point I’d have thought . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Maybe it's luck, maybe is genius but the forecast is a lot worse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 (edited) 10 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: This is what I mean. The forecasts can change on an hourly basis, let alone a daily basis. Who knows, the forecast in the morning could look even worse! But give it every chance and wait until the morning and see. 12 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Maybe it's luck, maybe is genius but the forecast is a lot worse now. 100% luck. Repeating myself, but forecasts change regularly. As you say the forecast this morning is now worse for Lynn today than it was yesterday, but it could easily have gone the other way and improved significantly. There’s just no way of knowing. Another example, our meeting at Foxhall this evening was under no threat yesterday whatsoever, a little rain about but nothing that would even slightly threaten the meeting. This morning, the forecast now for Ipswich is horrendous! This has to be in serious doubt now too. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u12b4ht3f#?date=2024-05-16 Should always wait until the day of meetings for a more accurate forecast before calling meetings imo. Edited May 16 by Arch Stanton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 33 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: 100% luck. Repeating myself, but forecasts change regularly. As you say the forecast this morning is now worse for Lynn today than it was yesterday, but it could easily have gone the other way and improved significantly. There’s just no way of knowing. Another example, our meeting at Foxhall this evening was under no threat yesterday whatsoever, a little rain about but nothing that would even slightly threaten the meeting. This morning, the forecast now for Ipswich is horrendous! This has to be in serious doubt now too. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u12b4ht3f#?date=2024-05-16 Should always wait until the day of meetings for a more accurate forecast before calling meetings imo. A perfect example of forecasts being totally unreliable until the actual day. If every club is going to start postponing meetings every time there is a ropey forecast 24 hours or more the meeting then it would cause chaos to the sport here. @Bagpuss makes the point about the expense of flying riders in from abroad if a meeting gets postponed but if that is a concern to promotions then the simple answer is don’t sign any! Sign a team of British based riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 8 minutes ago, Aries said: A perfect example of forecasts being totally unreliable until the actual day. If every club is going to start postponing meetings every time there is a ropey forecast 24 hours or more the meeting then it would cause chaos to the sport here. @Bagpuss makes the point about the expense of flying riders in from abroad if a meeting gets postponed but if that is a concern to promotions then the simple answer is don’t sign any! Sign a team of British based riders. Wouldn’t flights be booked and bought and paid for prior to yesterday’s call off ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Haza said: Wouldn’t flights be booked and bought and paid for prior to yesterday’s call off ? Possibly, I’ve no idea to be honest as I don’t fly. Like I say, if that’s a concern to a promotion then don’t sign any foreign based riders. Many clubs fly riders in from abroad but don’t call off meetings a day or more before meetings. I’d say there’s a caveat to that though if the forecast is for a complete washout. Even though forecasts change it’s doubtful they’d change that much if the forecast is for heavy rain all day. Birmingham called their meeting the day before the other day but that one you could understand more as the forecast was terrible. Edited May 16 by Aries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 I don't know if it makes any difference at all but Lynn always used to use RAF Marham for their weather forecasts rather than a more general met office one, if they still do then perhaps the 'worsening forecast' which they have somehow got spot on was a lot more likely than most thought, you'd expect their weather predictions for quite a specific area to be as state of the art as it gets. I do agree though that waiting until the morning of the meeting would make much more sense than calling off the day before. I'd also say that not flying riders in would make us even more uncompetitive....which leads to a wider argument that perhaps we are in the wrong league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 47 minutes ago, Haza said: Wouldn’t flights be booked and bought and paid for prior to yesterday’s call off ? You can normally move flights to another date, up to a point though, which I’m not sure what the cut off is for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Narwich have got their play-off semi-final second leg up Leeds tonight - irrespective of the weather, I reckon everyone'll be watching it at hoom or gorn dowen the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 12 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Narwich have got their play-off semi-final second leg up Leeds tonight - irrespective of the weather, I reckon everyone'll be watching it at hoom or gorn dowen the pub. I'll be behind the sofa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 What I don’t understand. growing up as a kid kings lynn and buster was always know to be the club and guy that no matter the weather was during the day he could take all the water and grip off and re-lay the track in 1 hour. where as that buster gone??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Just now, Phil The Ace said: What I don’t understand. growing up as a kid kings lynn and buster was always know to be the club and guy that no matter the weather was during the day he could take all the water and grip off and re-lay the track in 1 hour. where as that buster gone??? I think its all about maximising the number of folk through the door, gone are the days where people will turn up come what may unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Just now, Bagpuss said: I think its all about maximising the number of folk through the door, gone are the days where people will turn up come what may unfortunately. Yeah. That’s a fair point. At belle Vue if there as been a slight bit of rain during the day people stay away even though they know even a heavy deluge doesn’t stop us racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 31 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: What I don’t understand. growing up as a kid kings lynn and buster was always know to be the club and guy that no matter the weather was during the day he could take all the water and grip off and re-lay the track in 1 hour. where as that buster gone??? A few years ago Buster did exactly that, but either the riders refused to race or the ref said it wasn't safe. So I can understand him not trying to get meetings on in poor weather. However, I do feel he calls off far too many meetings, when the forecast aren't THAT bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 2 hours ago, Haza said: Wouldn’t flights be booked and bought and paid for prior to yesterday’s call off ? Good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: Narwich have got their play-off semi-final second leg up Leeds tonight - irrespective of the weather, I reckon everyone'll be watching it at hoom or gorn dowen the pub. ye probly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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