Arch Stanton Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 14 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: I’d take 50-40 tbh. We’re awful on the bigger tracks. 10 point defeat would at least give us a shout at the bonus as Sheffield aren’t too hot at Foxhall either. Actually I’ve changed my mind, I wouldn’t take 50-40 at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 29 minutes ago, bree34 said: Has everybody forgot about your grandfinal reserve Jye Etheridge he should of been in the team and he is getting good scores for Berwick and I think he deserves a go Etheridge & Vissing in place of Howarth & Gilkes (move Edwards to RS)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, Manifesto said: Very likely. Could Sheffield tap up Craig Cook since he’s only on a 28 day contract? Surely Oxford won't drop Cook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, Aries said: Think Doyle was suffering a bit of a hangover (not literally I don’t think!) tonight after the euphoria of the GP at the weekend. As he says it’s been a whirlwind few days. Difficult to then get yourself back up for a league fixture a couple of days later. No doubt he was trying as he always does! But it can be difficult and I half thought he might not be at his best tonight. Could well be the fact is with 3 GP riders and one who really could well be on on ability there can be no guaranteed win etc in heats 13 / 15 the tigers had a huge advantage last week in that Kurtz and Bewley couldn’t match them in those heats but tonight they came up against a pair that could. I am still puzzled by the Tigers not electing to have gate choice for heat 15 - and I reckon Adam Ellis may well have exorcised a ghost or two tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 I'm the context of the title chase, this meeting means nothing, both teams 99.99% in the play-offs. Which is why I dislike them, yes they make the end of the season exciting, but make 85% off the season less important. That being said I know Sheffield don't want to lose at home, I'm delighted they did though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I'm the context of the title chase, this meeting means nothing, both teams 99.99% in the play-offs. Which is why I dislike them, yes they make the end of the season exciting, but make 85% off the season less important. That being said I know Sheffield don't want to lose at home, I'm delighted they did though. You’re right of course, end of the day 4th is as good as 1st before the real stuff begins. But, it’s still satisfying to win away at a title rival and although finishing top doesn’t win you anything, that has to still be a target. It’s nice to be the best team over the course of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I'm the context of the title chase, this meeting means nothing, both teams 99.99% in the play-offs. Which is why I dislike them, yes they make the end of the season exciting, but make 85% off the season less important. That being said I know Sheffield don't want to lose at home, I'm delighted they did though. How do work that out ... Without the Play Offs 4 teams league season would over already .. How on earth do you come up with 85 % ? After tonight meeting in a normal season Ipswich would almost be champions already meaning nearly hardly any match would mean anything Edited May 13 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I'm the context of the title chase, this meeting means nothing, both teams 99.99% in the play-offs. Which is why I dislike them, yes they make the end of the season exciting, but make 85% off the season less important. That being said I know Sheffield don't want to lose at home, I'm delighted they did though. 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: You’re right of course, end of the day 4th is as good as 1st before the real stuff begins. But, it’s still satisfying to win away at a title rival and although finishing top doesn’t win you anything, that has to still be a target. It’s nice to be the best team over the course of the season. A reason I don’t like the play offs either. Be the best team all year only to get done by the “Hokey Cokey” Tigers or someone else who makes a Robert Lambert sized tactical move just before the cut off! I’ve always said, that every team has had all winter to get their team building right. If it turns out you’ve made a pigs ear of it a month in, tough. You should only be able to make a signing to replace an injured rider, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 1 minute ago, orion said: How do work that out ... Without the Play Offs 4 teams league season would over already .. How on earth do you come up with 85 % ? After tonight meeting in a normal season Ipswich would almost be champions already meaning nearly hardly match would mean anything You’re right, can’t argue. I understand why they’ve been brought in and it’s a necessary evil unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Just now, Aries said: You’re right, can’t argue. I understand why they’ve been brought in and it’s a necessary evil unfortunately. It is thou the downside is as you say people bringing Lambert etc just before , Not got the Answer on how you cut that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Congrats to Ipswich on the win, the better team on the night. I am concerned with Kyle Howarth, not having a great start to the season not only for Sheffield but Scunthorpe as well. Tai is correct in saying that there may need to be some changes to the team, and Kyle at this moment seems to be the weak link in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Just watched this and Ipswich probably just deserved the win but a howler from Stead in heat 15 putting Woffinden off four and giving the crap gate to Chris Holder. Holder would have had every chance of gating off the outside and Woffinden was fast all night, so there would have been a chance of his doing something from two. But the result was done before the tapes went up in the final heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Just watched this and Ipswich probably just deserved the win but a howler from Stead in heat 15 putting Woffinden off four and giving the crap gate to Chris Holder. Holder would have had every chance of gating off the outside and Woffinden was fast all night, so there would have been a chance of his doing something from two. But the result was done before the tapes went up in the final heat. Gate 3 was a graveyard so I’m surprised Ipswich chose 1 and 3 in heat 15! All I can think of was they were banking on Doyle trapping off 1 but still, 2 and 4 surely was the choice? Didn’t matter in the end but it seemed like a strange choice to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 36 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Etheridge & Vissing in place of Howarth & Gilkes (move Edwards to RS)? Yep ,Allen another with good experience, weak pairing cost them the win ,especially at home,don’t leave it too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, spin king said: Congrats to Ipswich on the win, the better team on the night. I am concerned with Kyle Howarth, not having a great start to the season not only for Sheffield but Scunthorpe as well. Tai is correct in saying that there may need to be some changes to the team, and Kyle at this moment seems to be the weak link in the team. Not great for team spirit though, when one of your team mates says you should be potentially out of the team, and surely you don't sack someone when they are having their testimonial that year and is captain! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Tye two Sheffield riders under threat have the be Howarth and Gilles. Howarth needs to be looking at his engines, looked the slowest of the 14 riders out there tonight, know he uses family to do tuning etc but whew everyone else uses PJR, Ashtec, Kowalski, BVM etc so maybe time to drop the loyalty and try elsewhere as always going to struggle keeping up if not. As for Gilkes he’s gone backwards, consistently rides the wrong lines at wrong times in meetings (wide in 3 and 4 in ht2 I mean what the hell!) and the bullied by the riders when it comes down to the right moments, the crashes and injuries definitely playing on his mind, question is who is out there to replace the two of them? The Rising Star list gets smaller by the season, what’s left now Pijper, Killeen, Atkins and the J Thompson?? and then a load of inexperienced NDL riders. As for Howarth if you convert his 5.62 from Prem (x 1.5 isn’t it?) to Championship that’s someone with c.8.4 average like Allen, Sedgmen will that make them stronger. A lot for Bates’ and Stead to think about over next few days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Surely Oxford won't drop Cook? Probably not, top scored in both appearances so far. But travelling distance may be a factor, took him 7 and a half hours to get there last Monday and was called off at short notice. Surprised no one has mentioned Batchelor yet, surely he’d be a miles better option than Howarth (or Etheridge/Allen) judging by what I’ve seen this season, riding like a Number 1 at Champ level again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 30 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Not great for team spirit though, when one of your team mates says you should be potentially out of the team, and surely you don't sack someone when they are having their testimonial that year and is captain! Sheffield have replaced riders who have (sort of been) performing in the past in order to strengthen so can’t see they would let sentiment get in the way - but yes Howarth is a concern - surely it’s better tho to keep comments in house at this stage about needing to make changes unless it’s designed to make people pull their socks up so to speak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 People mentioning Batchelor, Vissing etc who have ridden for Sheffield before must have forgotten how they struggled especially around Owlerton! Unless Sheffield can get some untapped talent over from the continent on a low average (Woffinden or Holders’ team mates??) then it might be time to keep as is and help team mates out with advise, support with engines etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 27 minutes ago, 4BM said: Tye two Sheffield riders under threat have the be Howarth and Gilles. Howarth needs to be looking at his engines, looked the slowest of the 14 riders out there tonight, know he uses family to do tuning etc but whew everyone else uses PJR, Ashtec, Kowalski, BVM etc so maybe time to drop the loyalty and try elsewhere as always going to struggle keeping up if not. As for Gilkes he’s gone backwards, consistently rides the wrong lines at wrong times in meetings (wide in 3 and 4 in ht2 I mean what the hell!) and the bullied by the riders when it comes down to the right moments, the crashes and injuries definitely playing on his mind, question is who is out there to replace the two of them? The Rising Star list gets smaller by the season, what’s left now Pijper, Killeen, Atkins and the J Thompson?? and then a load of inexperienced NDL riders. As for Howarth if you convert his 5.62 from Prem (x 1.5 isn’t it?) to Championship that’s someone with c.8.4 average like Allen, Sedgmen will that make them stronger. A lot for Bates’ and Stead to think about over next few days Would be very expensive Sheffield team but if Oxford sign rumoured new GP star No1 before the next TV meeting at Leicester then Janowski fits to replace Howarth that is what Woffy was hinting at . Edited May 13 by flagrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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