Arch Stanton Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Rob B said: There’s many things we could point out over the 2 legs, but we didn’t lose on aggregate. Sheffield won 1 race to win it having the advantage of being at home for that 1 race and choice of gates. Can’t be argued. Identical over the two legs, so the deciding outcome is a race off heat at the home team’s advantage. Something else that isn’t right or fair. Edit: Brady 4+1? Wish he scored that at Foxhall! Edited May 9 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, DazS said: enjoyed the ride going over , we did a lot better than expected so to lose like we did was frustrating, didn't like the ride coming back in the dark with these bloody led car headlights flashing in your eyes really pissed me off . Did you go back over the woodhead or the snake don’t like either in the dark .I thought Belle Vue would hang on but the last 3 heats it all changed some good racing tonight well done to both teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, r8gdp said: Did you go back over the woodhead or the snake don’t like either in the dark .I thought Belle Vue would hang on but the last 3 heats it all changed some good racing tonight well done to both teams towards Woodhead to the flouch inn then across to Holmfirth, then up past dove stones. had a feeling they would pull it off after that ht 14 . 4-2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 15 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Can’t be argued. Identical over the two legs, so the deciding outcome is a race off heat at the home team’s advantage. Something else that isn’t right or fair. Edit: Brady 4+1? Wish he scored that at Foxhall! Not right or fair, but how do you make it fair ? All up sticks and have the super heat at a neutral venue ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 10 minutes ago, DazS said: towards Woodhead to the flouch inn then across to Holmfirth, then up past dove stones. had a feeling they would pull it off after that ht 14 . 4-2. That was the deciding moment i think yes - oddly BV never looked like losing the tie until about heat 13/14 - they seemed very happy to ride out for the 3-3 and allow the heat leaders for Sheffield to win the majority of the races - the weak spot in that was they were vulnerable in heats 13 and 15 as the only BV rider on the night to match the Sheffield top 3 was Bewley - Kurtz and Lidsey needed to do more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Tonight’s race times at Sheffield were on par with Peter Carr’s Sheffield track record in 1985 (62 seconds ) in heat 2 the winning time was the same as Chris Morton’s Sheffield track record in 1977 ( 64 seconds ) progress eh Talking of "The B52" it seems that Dan Bewley doesn't know about the big dive bomb line going into turn 3... in one of the races it was the obvious move from where I was stood and he (I won't say bottled it... oops I just did) elected not to take it going for the blast around the outside, like he seems to try everywhere, instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, DaveWayne said: Not right or fair, but how do you make it fair ? All up sticks and have the super heat at a neutral venue ? Well the fairest would be a replay but modern sport doesnt seem to like them - as I have said before the superheat is great if you win it and awful / gutting if you lose - just like penalties in football! I do recall witnessing a 45-45 draw in the play off semi final in 2005(?) and there was ride off between Michael Max and Hans Andersen to decide that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, GeneralMelchett said: Well the fairest would be a replay but modern sport doesnt seem to like them - as I have said before the superheat is great if you win it and awful / gutting if you lose - just like penalties in football! I do recall witnessing a 45-45 draw in the play off semi final in 2005(?) and there was ride off between Michael Max and Hans Andersen to decide that one! Personally I'd like to see super heats not contain the same riders as in heat 15... this will reward the better "team" and not just the best 2 riders on the night 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Just now, iainb said: Personally I'd like to see super heats not contain the same riders as in heat 15... this will reward the better "team" and not just the best 2 riders on the night Well Lidsey was missing replaced by Kurtz! I think to be fair whoever was paired with Bewley for BV was going to run a last - Thinking back had Tai not lifted in heat 13 having got into the 5-1 position a super heat might not have been needed anyway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Well Lidsey was missing replaced by Kurtz! I think to be fair whoever was paired with Bewley for BV was going to run a last - Thinking back had Tai not lifted in heat 13 having got into the 5-1 position a super heat might not have been needed anyway! Super heat of C Holder, Pickering, Kurtz & Cook would have been interesting... or maybe just give the away team the choice of gates? Edited May 9 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Don’t think there are enough free dates to have replays as the season generally gets squashed into the final says of October as it is so what about 3 super heats using 6 out of the 7 riders ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 5 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Well Lidsey was missing replaced by Kurtz! I think to be fair whoever was paired with Bewley for BV was going to run a last - Thinking back had Tai not lifted in heat 13 having got into the 5-1 position a super heat might not have been needed anyway! If Cook hadn’t run wide in heat 14 to let Pickering through then superheat wouldn’t have been needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, iainb said: Super heat of C Holder, Pickering, Kurtz & Cook would have been interesting Yes but how and why would those riders have been selected? By ballot or by manager selection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Rob B said: If Cook hadn’t run wide in heat 14 to let Pickering through then superheat wouldn’t have been needed. He was never going to keep Pickering at bay for 4 laps in my view - however yes - but its all if buts and maybes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Don’t think there are enough free dates to have replays as the season generally gets squashed into the final says of October as it is so what about 3 super heats using 6 out of the 7 riders ? Shame in a way as it was a good crowd and whilst the opening half of the meeting was a bit dull and processional the last 3-4 heats were good and tense. I'd have happily attended a replay! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 14 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Well the fairest would be a replay but modern sport doesnt seem to like them - as I have said before the superheat is great if you win it and awful / gutting if you lose - just like penalties in football! I do recall witnessing a 45-45 draw in the play off semi final in 2005(?) and there was ride off between Michael Max and Hans Andersen to decide that one! But where would you hold the replay ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Just now, DaveWayne said: But where would you hold the replay ? re-run both legs again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Yes but how and why would those riders have been selected? By ballot or by manager selection By the manager... just choose any riders that weren't used in 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manifesto Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Out of the home meetings so far it was defo the most dull as in passing wise but closest as a contest. Blodorn, Mountain and Bailey were so much better than Gilkes, Edwards and Howarth (heat 8 was embarrassing to watch) which meant BV could easily pack the 2nd and 3rd places. Always thought Tai and Jack could bang 5-1’s in heat 13 and 15 to keep it close and it was very close. Jack Holder rode a brilliant line in the super heat first lap which sealed the deal for the tigers. Onto the semi final I don’t think KL will be as much of a challenge with all due respect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Manifesto said: Out of the home meetings so far it was defo the most dull as in passing wise but closest as a contest. Blodorn, Mountain and Bailey were so much better than Gilkes, Edwards and Howarth (heat 8 was embarrassing to watch) which meant BV could easily pack the 2nd and 3rd places. Always thought Tai and Jack could bang 5-1’s in heat 13 and 15 to keep it close and it was very close. Jack Holder rode a brilliant line in the super heat first lap which sealed the deal for the tigers. Onto the semi final I don’t think KL will be as much of a challenge with all due respect! I hear its just been called off already! Ooops I will get me coat! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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