Split Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 I happened to be looking though the results of past world finals and picked up the name of Ukrainian, Grigory Khlinovsky finishing at number 5 in 1973. He had 10 points from his first four starts and but for an exclusion in his last race, might have finished up with 13 points and ridden in a three man run-off for the title. He had beaten the eventual World Champion in a previous heat so it's not impossible that he would have repeated that feat that in the run-off. Grigory Khlinovsky is certainly not a name that we see mentioned often but if he had not been excluded in heat 19, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 There has been a fair bit of discussion about the heat 19 decision over the years. Khlinovsky made a move to pass Plech, who was leading the race, on the last lap. Plech came down. Ref decided that Khlinovsky gets excluded and Plech got given 2nd to Peter Collins, who was a distant 3rd at the time of the clash. If Khlinovsky wasn't excluded he would have been in the run off. If Plech had been given the win he would have been in it. All a bit bizarre.... https://youtu.be/Q7poWMivIpo?si=Ybj_mNoAfVDCkhBe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Looks a similar incident to Carter and Penhall in LA. The start procedure in them days was terrible. A case of who can get away with the biggest roller. Todays system is much fairer IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split Posted May 2 Author Report Share Posted May 2 (edited) On 5/1/2024 at 12:03 AM, HenryW said: There has been a fair bit of discussion about the heat 19 decision over the years. Khlinovsky made a move to pass Plech, who was leading the race, on the last lap. Plech came down. Ref decided that Khlinovsky gets excluded and Plech got given 2nd to Peter Collins, who was a distant 3rd at the time of the clash. If Khlinovsky wasn't excluded he would have been in the run off. If Plech had been given the win he would have been in it. All a bit bizarre.... https://youtu.be/Q7poWMivIpo?si=Ybj_mNoAfVDCkhBe Zenon Plech was undoubtedly a world class rider and would have been worthy of the title of World Champion. Szczakiel simply got it right on the night and things just fell (no pun intended!) into place. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that riders like Szczakiel and Müller would never have been crowned World Champions if they had been competing in the present Grand Prix format where consistency is essential. Edited May 2 by Split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 4 hours ago, Split said: Zenon Plech was undoubtedly a world class rider and would have been worthy of the title of World Champion. Szczakiel simply got it right on the night and things just fell (no pun intended!) into place. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that riders like Szczakiel and Müller would never have been crowned World Champions if they had been competing in the present Grand Prix format where consistency is essential. Exactly. That's why I don't get people's thinking today. "It should be like the good old days", when things were unpredictable, and luck played a much greater role. Yet they would whine when a "lucky" or "unworthy" rider would win! Thinking about it, Muller perhaps would be a contender... He did put in some good World Final performances, but it would all depend on how much he wanted to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 19 hours ago, Split said: Zenon Plech was undoubtedly a world class rider and would have been worthy of the title of World Champion. Szczakiel simply got it right on the night and things just fell (no pun intended!) into place. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that riders like Szczakiel and Müller would never have been crowned World Champions if they had been competing in the present Grand Prix format where consistency is essential. To be fair I think that history tells that the majority of riders who became champions were worthy ones...of course there's an argument that suggests when Wembley held the final that it favoured their riders but overall I don't think that the one-off system produced that many "shock" wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 17 hours ago, chunky said: ...........Thinking about it, Muller perhaps would be a contender... He did put in some good World Final performances, but it would all depend on how much he wanted to win. Yeh but, everyone's on a GM these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 12 hours ago, steve roberts said: To be fair I think that history tells that the majority of riders who became champions were worthy ones...of course there's an argument that suggests when Wembley held the final that it favoured their riders but overall I don't think that the one-off system produced that many "shock" wins. I don't think the problem was so much "shock" wins, more that a World Final could be - and often was - decided by a fall, an e/f, or a questionable referee's decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 On 4/30/2024 at 11:34 PM, OveFundinFan said: Looks a similar incident to Carter and Penhall in LA. The start procedure in them days was terrible. A case of who can get away with the biggest roller. Todays system is much fairer IMO. How it be fairer when you make the perfect start your pulled back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 On 4/30/2024 at 11:16 PM, Split said: I happened to be looking though the results of past world finals and picked up the name of Ukrainian, Grigory Khlinovsky finishing at number 5 in 1973. He had 10 points from his first four starts and but for an exclusion in his last race, might have finished up with 13 points and ridden in a three man run-off for the title. He had beaten the eventual World Champion in a previous heat so it's not impossible that he would have repeated that feat that in the run-off. Grigory Khlinovsky is certainly not a name that we see mentioned often but if he had not been excluded in heat 19, who knows? Gryhoriy Khlynovskyi said that after the 19th race and the decision of the German judge to exclude him, he went to the head judge and wanted to get an explanation of this decision. Georg Traunspurger said only the following: "I have two eyes and they have seen everything." And after the race, there was a buffet at which Zenon Plech approached Grigoriy Khlinovsky and said: "Grigoriy, you understand that the final is held in Poland, and the world champion must be a Polish rider. Everyone bet on me. But Jerzy Szczakiel won. That's why such a system". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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