Spiderman1 Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 7 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: What has happened to the Leicester track over the winter ? it was better racing the past two seasons but it’s returned to being a gaters paradise again Last year was never the same track week in and out,who ever does the track work doesn’t want them winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I think the RS system is the best rule they've introduced in years, just because one or two riders are struggling doesn't mean it doesn't work. You can't expect everyone to excel, but as long as one or two progress every year, it's working imo. Personally I think it should be used in both leagues, every Champ team actually has an RS in their team, but unlike the Prem, they aren't guaranteed to meet each other twice a meeting. Who of the rising stars are holding down a team place in the PL? Genuine question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, iainb said: Who of the rising stars are holding down a team place in the PL? Genuine question You would probably say Dan T at Ipswich is doing well but you probably think he should be at Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 Out of all the rising stars only Dan T is thriving. Even the ex rising stars like kemp and mountain are no where near ready for the main body of the team. If a club wants a young brit in there side it should be by choice of the club. Lets be honest if the rising star system wasn't in place , Joe T and Ashton wouldn't be in any prem team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, GeneralMelchett said: Witches covered well in Dannys absence. still concerend with Emil heat 1 seems a bit of a write off for him think he has only one it once so far this season, plus 3-4 falls seems not like him. It has to be said, Emil SO FAR has looked a shadow of the rider we all saw comfortably top the averages last year. His first visit to Leicester last year, he broke the track record in his very first race, and went unbeaten. Didn’t win a single race last night. Smashed the Foxhall track record too and was nigh on unbeatable everywhere. This season, it’s like an impersonator has taken his place! Off the pace, and error strewn! He’s had several falls already, can’t recall him hitting the deck once last year! It’s bizarre. Plenty of time for him to turn it around again of course. Despite his poor start, we still sit top of the table. Makes you wonder how good we’d be/will be if he regains the form of last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, FishersGate said: Out of all the rising stars only Dan T is thriving. Even the ex rising stars like kemp and mountain are no where near ready for the main body of the team. If a club wants a young brit in there side it should be by choice of the club. Lets be honest if the rising star system wasn't in place , Joe T and Ashton wouldn't be in any prem team. Will Dan hold that team position down though? The way Rew was riding last night he'll be back in the main body next month. You can add Gilkes to the list of RS riders who shouldn't be anywhere near the PL... Mountain and Brennan are the 2 stand out names that seem to be holding a team spot down. Brennan looks like he may be on the verge of having a breakthrough season. Edited May 3 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: It has to be said, Emil SO FAR has looked a shadow of the rider we all saw comfortably top the averages last year. His first visit to Leicester last year, he broke the track record in his very first race, and went unbeaten. Didn’t win a single race last night. Smashed the Foxhall track record too and was nigh on unbeatable everywhere. This season, it’s like an impersonator has taken his place! Off the pace, and error strewn! He’s had several falls already, can’t recall him hitting the deck once last year! It’s bizarre. Plenty of time for him to turn it around again of course. Despite his poor start, we still sit top of the table. Makes you wonder how good we’d be/will be if he regains the form of last year. Same Emil, but think you'll find it's a mysterious engine problem that they just can't work out what the problem is and to over compensate he's working overtime to catch up and hitting the deck. Keep the faith. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, FishersGate said: Out of all the rising stars only Dan T is thriving. Even the ex rising stars like kemp and mountain are no where near ready for the main body of the team. If a club wants a young brit in there side it should be by choice of the club. Lets be honest if the rising star system wasn't in place , Joe T and Ashton wouldn't be in any prem team. Far too big of a jump.. When launched, (no disrespect), 2nd Div HL's made up the majority of Div One HL berths, through doubling up, so it wasn't such a huge gap, as 2nd Strings were obviously not as strong as today too... Now truly World Class riders are in every team, with some of the old No1's being 3rd HL's., or lower... Div 2 is now the place for them... Edited May 3 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, Badge said: Same Emil, but think you'll find it's a mysterious engine problem that they just can't work out what the problem is and to over compensate he's working overtime to catch up and hitting the deck. Keep the faith. His fall was a strange one last night... almost seemed to lay it down in the hope of a rerun after riders in front of him getting into trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aries Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 10 minutes ago, Badge said: Same Emil, but think you'll find it's a mysterious engine problem that they just can't work out what the problem is and to over compensate he's working overtime to catch up and hitting the deck. Keep the faith. Doesn’t have any such issues in Poland though Badge. Still consistently beating the world’s best. Why does he have engine “issues” this year but was on rocketships last year? Sorry but I’m dubious of a rider of his calibre going in to May not having sorted out mechanical issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, iainb said: I always thought we'd come unstuck when riding against teams with a couple of "big hitters" as has been the case against Sheffield and Ippo as Max is just not at the level of Holder/Woffy/Doyley/Emil... and with the lack of any bite at reserve the matches against the other clubs are too close to call without a performance from Kemp You appear to be drawing a view of Max's performance as an individual against "pairs" from Sheffield & Ipswich. But on an individual score perspective Max compares well at home v the four you have listed. (not rode at their tracks yet) so your comment is not well supported by the numbers. i.e none of the other riders actually outscored him V Sheffield - 4 programmed rides Max 9 paid 10 winning 1 and losing 1 v Jack H. Beating Tai W twice & losing to Chris H once. as for heats 13 & 15. Heat 13 scored a 5-1 but lost heat 15, 1-5 Tai 5 Jack H 9 paid 10 Chris H 7 paid 8V Ipswich - 4 programmed rides Max 9 paid 11 Also won additional TS 3pts. beat Emil twice (3 times inc heat 15) lost to Jason once but beat him in heat 15. Emil 7 Jason 11 Both Max & Jason had six rides during the meeting. Max 15pts + 2BPJason 15pts + 1BP So, as can be seen from the above sample of "head to heads" Max is more than holding his own, the issue lions have is the back up performance from the remainder of the team. Also consider in the two matches this year v Sheffield & Ipswich the aggregate totals from the "big hitter" heats of 13 & 15 is Lions 13 Opposition 11 so Lions more than held their own in that regard Edited May 3 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, Badge said: Same Emil, but think you'll find it's a mysterious engine problem that they just can't work out what the problem is and to over compensate he's working overtime to catch up and hitting the deck. Keep the faith. Hope you’re right Badge. The contrast to last year has been huge. That early meeting at Foxhall where he made mistakes and fell twice, I’m not exaggerating by saying that even before that first spill, he was wobbling like an NDL rider with all due respect to them! So so unlike him. As you rightly say though, I’m sure he’ll get it together sooner rather than later possibly starting Monday. Lynn seems a good meeting for him with their lack of firepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 24 minutes ago, Badge said: Same Emil, but think you'll find it's a mysterious engine problem that they just can't work out what the problem is and to over compensate he's working overtime to catch up and hitting the deck. Keep the faith. I have also been told that it’s engine related issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 22 minutes ago, 1 valve said: You appear to be drawing a view of Max's performance as an individual against "pairs" from Sheffield & Ipswich. But on an individual score perspective Max compares well at home v the four you have listed. (not rode at their tracks yet) so your comment is not well supported by the numbers. i.e none of the other riders actually outscored him V Sheffield - 4 programmed rides Max 9 paid 10 winning 1 and losing 1 v Jack H. Beating Tai W twice & losing to Chris H once. as for heats 13 & 15. Heat 13 scored a 5-1 but lost heat 15, 1-5 Tai 5 Jack H 9 paid 10 Chris H 7 paid 8V Ipswich - 4 programmed rides Max 9 paid 11 Also won additional TS 3pts. beat Emil twice (3 times inc heat 15) lost to Jason once but beat him in heat 15. Emil 7 Jason 11 Both Max & Jason had six rides during the meeting. Max 15pts + 2BPJason 15pts = 1BP So, as can be seen from the above sample of "head to heads" Max is more than holding his own, the issue lions have is the back up performance from the remainder of the team. Also consider in the two matches this year v Sheffield & Ipswich the aggregate totals from the "big hitter" heats of 13 & 15 is Lions 13 Opposition 11 so Lions more than held their own in that regard No. Points Total 21/03/24 Leicester v King's Lynn (PRa) 1 3, 1, 1', 1' 6 +2 01/04/24 Leicester v Ipswich (PRKO) 1 3, 2, 0, 2 7 08/04/24 Belle Vue v Leicester (PRa) 1 0, 1', 2, 1' 4 +2 11/04/24 Leicester v Sheffield (PRa) 1 2, 3, 2, 2', 1 10 +1 15/04/24 Birmingham v Leicester (PRa) 1 1, 3, 0 4 18/04/24 Leicester v Belle Vue (PRa) 1 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 15 25/04/24 Leicester v Birmingham (PRa) 1 2, 3, 3, 2', 3 13 +1 02/05/24 Leicester v Ipswich (PRa) 1 3, 2', 1', 3, 3^, 3 15 +2 I am talking about Max over the course of a season home and away and it's only my opinion of course. He's more than capable of beating those riders mentioned as indeed he has done but at the moment, over the course of a season, I'd still fancy the others and like you say the backup isn't really there. I think Leicester will probably have enough for 4th or 5th place in the league but will come unstuck without another top heat leader come play off time. He also had a pretty poor start to the season for a world class number 1, though he'd certainly got his arse into gear now. Edited May 3 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, iainb said: Who of the rising stars are holding down a team place in the PL? Genuine question First year no-one Second year Brennan, Hume, Mountain Third year Jenkins, Kemp These are the riders who have progressed from the RS system & gained team spots in the Prem. Not sure if you can count Edwards, as he's an RS racing in the top 6? I think that's a decent level of progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, iainb said: Will Dan hold that team position down though? The way Rew was riding last night he'll be back in the main body next month. You can add Gilkes to the list of RS riders who shouldn't be anywhere near the PL... Mountain and Brennan are the 2 stand out names that seem to be holding a team spot down. Brennan looks like he may be on the verge of having a breakthrough season. Can't agree with that, Gilkes is a near 5 points Champ rider, so exactly the sort of rider who should be holding down a RS spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 Seems I'm in the minority regarding the RS system. Even if I agree Joe T & Boughen aren't ready for the Prem, then my suggested alternative, would be to allow Kemp & Jenkins to remain "rising stars" so it's a more level playing field, not to get rid of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: First year no-one Second year Brennan, Hume, Mountain Third year Jenkins, Kemp These are the riders who have progressed from the RS system & gained team spots in the Prem. Not sure if you can count Edwards, as he's an RS racing in the top 6? I think that's a decent level of progress. 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Can't agree with that, Gilkes is a near 5 points Champ rider, so exactly the sort of rider who should be holding down a RS spot. For me, only Brennan and Mountain from the riders you have named are holding down a team spot. Gilkes is not going to progress out of the reserve spot this season, not even close. I'd say a "successful" rising star must at least be challenging for a spot in the main body of a team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Seems I'm in the minority regarding the RS system. Even if I agree Joe T & Boughen aren't ready for the Prem, then my suggested alternative, would be to allow Kemp & Jenkins to remain "rising stars" so it's a more level playing field, not to get rid of the system. The RS system is a great idea... just not in the PL for me. I'd still like to see some kind of protected spot in a PL team for British riders but from a wider pool of riders than is currently on offer Edited May 3 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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