Gasser90 Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 I think there’s quite a big gap in the top 5 rising stars on the list compared to the rest, Mulford, hagon, smith, trigger, hodder are best of the rest but on paper joe thompson should be way better than all of them around Leicester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: When you have three riders who cannot beat an opponent between them, it’s surprising that the score was as close as it was! Did Dickson show up for the after match interview? (Can’t be bothered to stop after the final race anymore). Yes he did, no Joe and surprisingly no Lawson who should have been Lions rider of the night. 9 minutes ago, Gasser90 said: I think there’s quite a big gap in the top 5 rising stars on the list compared to the rest, Mulford, hagon, smith, trigger, hodder are best of the rest but on paper joe thompson should be way better than all of them around Leicester The only option is to pass Dan off as Joe! When is Cairns eligible? Edited May 2 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, iainb said: Yes he did, no Joe and surprisingly no Lawson who should have been Lions rider of the night. The only option is to pass Dan off as Joe! When is Cairns eligible? William Cairns is not 15 until June so another year yet ! As others have said on this thread very little options for RS on paper and NL form J Thompson should be better than Jake Mulford, Freddy Hodder, Max Perry and Ben Trigger If Oxford drop Boughen for Sam Hagon would he be any better ? Would Ben Barker or Paco Castagna be better than Drew Kemp ? Leicester cannot fit in Lewi Kerr / Craig Cook so options appear limited to make changes at Leicester at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 11 hours ago, iainb said: I've come to the conclusion that the whole lot needs digging up and starting again! I'm inclined to agree with you. It's a terrible track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 9 hours ago, Gasser90 said: Joe thompson really struggling in the top league. I can’t find a list of riding stars but there must be someone that could replace him, Most of the season at Foxhall he was awful too, I'm afraid he's reached his level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 10 hours ago, Gasser90 said: Joe thompson really struggling in the top league. I can’t find a list of riding stars but there must be someone that could replace him, While Joe is struggling in the top division, I'm not sure there's anyone better out there, certainly not with Leicester track experience. Lions probably better off just giving him time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: While Joe is struggling in the top division, I'm not sure there's anyone better out there, certainly not with Leicester track experience. Lions probably better off just giving him time. I think I heard Stewart Dickson say in the post match interview, "I think I've been patient". Make of that what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 11 hours ago, flagrag said: William Cairns is not 15 until June so another year yet ! As others have said on this thread very little options for RS on paper and NL form J Thompson should be better than Jake Mulford, Freddy Hodder, Max Perry and Ben Trigger If Oxford drop Boughen for Sam Hagon would he be any better ? Would Ben Barker or Paco Castagna be better than Drew Kemp ? Leicester cannot fit in Lewi Kerr / Craig Cook so options appear limited to make changes at Leicester at the moment I wonder if Leicester dare make another 2 for 1 change like they did last year? It was a disaster last year with consequences also extending into this year with DT's non inclusion, doesn't mean to say it will this 3 hours ago, False dawn said: I think I heard Stewart Dickson say in the post match interview, "I think I've been patient". Make of that what you will. He said a bit more than that from what I was hearing and was strongly hinting at potential changes reading between the lines Edited May 3 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 We've seen Joe struggle so far this season and it hasn't been a suprise , I really feel for the lad as he's just not ready for his level YET. This is why I'm against the RS system. Some riders are managing at this level and others are not. Its unfair BUT I don't have any sympathy with Leicester. We had a good RS last year in Dan Thompson. We were too impatient and now look at him. In the main body of a great Ipswich team. I heard some rumours and whispers about team changes already, some I don't believe and others I can see happening. I just don't see who else can replace Joe. Sam Hagon? Is he better than Joe ? Not so sure. I'm more concerned on the complete lack or consistency of our riders. Fricke, Lawson, Douglas have had good starts to the season. Masters had a great meeting last week and looked a completely different rider last night. Kemp again is inconsistent and Becker just can't seem to get to grips with the track. Heard a mad rumour last night that Becker was getting dropped for Wozniak. I asked around and didn't get any answers really, so I highly doubt that will happen. Its a little to early for changes anyways. I'd rather stay loyal for now unless someone too good to turn down comes to us.. Oh and why did the track get prepared the way it did last night? Half our team couldn't get to grips with it! So why? Either way, onwards and upwards I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 Just when I thought the Lions were making progress. The reserves strike again, Somebody in the 1-5 has to be sacrificed for the Lions to challenge for silverware. Becker is really struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, TTT said: ......Becker is really struggling. Only when Greg isn't there. The one meeting Greg was in the pits, Luke rode his socks off. Perhaps that's the cheapest option. Just pay for Greg to be there every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 Witches covered well in Dannys absence. still concerend with Emil heat 1 seems a bit of a write off for him think he has only one it once so far this season, plus 3-4 falls seems not like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, FishersGate said: We've seen Joe struggle so far this season and it hasn't been a suprise , I really feel for the lad as he's just not ready for his level YET. This is why I'm against the RS system. Some riders are managing at this level and others are not. Its unfair BUT I don't have any sympathy with Leicester. We had a good RS last year in Dan Thompson. We were too impatient and now look at him. In the main body of a great Ipswich team. I heard some rumours and whispers about team changes already, some I don't believe and others I can see happening. I just don't see who else can replace Joe. Sam Hagon? Is he better than Joe ? Not so sure. I'm more concerned on the complete lack or consistency of our riders. Fricke, Lawson, Douglas have had good starts to the season. Masters had a great meeting last week and looked a completely different rider last night. Kemp again is inconsistent and Becker just can't seem to get to grips with the track. Heard a mad rumour last night that Becker was getting dropped for Wozniak. I asked around and didn't get any answers really, so I highly doubt that will happen. Its a little to early for changes anyways. I'd rather stay loyal for now unless someone too good to turn down comes to us.. Oh and why did the track get prepared the way it did last night? Half our team couldn't get to grips with it! So why? Either way, onwards and upwards I guess. You're right, bigger picture stuff, the RS system should not be being used in the PL but the CL, the jump from NL to PL is just too big and more so this season with the return of some of the "Stars". Personally I don't think Fricke has had a particularly strong start to the season but he was always too good a rider not to come good. With the make up of our team I always thought we'd come unstuck when riding against teams with a couple of "big hitters" as has been the case against Sheffield and Ippo as Max is just not at the level of Holder/Woffy/Doyley/Emil... and with the lack of any bite at reserve the matches against the other clubs are too close to call without a performance from Kemp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 11 hours ago, Gasser90 said: Joe thompson really struggling in the top league. I can’t find a list of riding stars but there must be someone that could replace him, Sam Hagon. List: https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/2024-Rising-Stars-iss2.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 I think that Leicester’s problem is more Kemp and maybe Becker rather than Thompson. Sure, you can replace Thompson but with the Rising Star’s that are available, what will you achieve - another point possibly 2 if you are lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) I don't think Sam Hagon is the answer. You've got to stick with JT and rally around the kid, maybe get somebody in to help him. For me I'd be looking to drop Kemp and A.N.Other and be looking at getting a CL 7 pointer in at reserve somebody like Jake Allen, Vuolas, Lambert (Simon or Robert) or Zischke or take a punt on a complete unknown like Worky have this season and Peterborough did with Woj last season... with Schlein or Sedgeman in the main body, anything else would probably require major surgery. Last year showed that you now need big hitters in your team at 1 and 5 to succeed as long as you get to the play offs, Belle Vue finished top but just didn't have the firepower to see off Emil and Doyley Edited May 3 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 36 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't think Sam Hagon is the answer. You've got to stick with JT and rally around the kid, maybe get somebody in to help him. For me I'd be looking to drop Kemp and A.N.Other and be looking at getting a CL 7 pointer in at reserve somebody like Jake Allen, Vuolas or Zischke... with Schlein or Sedgeman in the main body, anything else would probably require major surgery. Last year showed that you now need big hitters in your team at 1 and 5 to succeed as long as you get to the play offs, Belle Vue finished top but just didn't have the firepower to see off Emil and Doyley Yep Allen has good experience in top league, and why wouldn’t ya put another ausie in ya team,but not sedgeman ,tuff to beat Emil and doyle consistently,and fricke not on thier level but close,track needs to be consistant which it never really is,should not be loosing ya home meets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, FishersGate said: We've seen Joe struggle so far this season and it hasn't been a suprise , I really feel for the lad as he's just not ready for his level YET. This is why I'm against the RS system. Some riders are managing at this level and others are not. Its unfair BUT I don't have any sympathy with Leicester. We had a good RS last year in Dan Thompson. We were too impatient and now look at him. In the main body of a great Ipswich team. 1 hour ago, iainb said: You're right, bigger picture stuff, the RS system should not be being used in the PL but the CL, the jump from NL to PL is just too big and more so this season with the return of some of the "Stars". I think the RS system is the best rule they've introduced in years, just because one or two riders are struggling doesn't mean it doesn't work. You can't expect everyone to excel, but as long as one or two progress every year, it's working imo. Personally I think it should be used in both leagues, every Champ team actually has an RS in their team, but unlike the Prem, they aren't guaranteed to meet each other twice a meeting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 What has happened to the Leicester track over the winter ? it was better racing the past two seasons but it’s returned to being a gaters paradise again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, iainb said: You're right, bigger picture stuff, the RS system should not be being used in the PL but the CL, the jump from NL to PL is just too big and more so this season with the return of some of the "Stars". Personally I don't think Fricke has had a particularly strong start to the season but he was always too good a rider not to come good. With the make up of our team I always thought we'd come unstuck when riding against teams with a couple of "big hitters" as has been the case against Sheffield and Ippo as Max is just not at the level of Holder/Woffy/Doyley/Emil... and with the lack of any bite at reserve the matches against the other clubs are too close to call without a performance from Kemp Agree, I have been saying similar on Oxford Spires thread, I have said Boughen is too young and too inexperienced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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