bellevueace Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 9 hours ago, stevebrum said: Well done the Brummies on the win. Much better racing than the bore fest I watched earlier in the season. The Aces look poorer on paper this season and I’ve seen nothing to convince me otherwise. Bewley is way overrated and seems to be going backwards this season so far. Brennan starting to come of age and Pawlicki showing his undoubted class in the 15th. Im still to be convinced never thought he was the rider a lot make him out to be, talented but not the second coming of PC or Mort as some would have you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 3 minutes ago, bellevueace said: Im still to be convinced never thought he was the rider a lot make him out to be, talented but not the second coming of PC or Mort as some would have you believe. As fast as anyone in the world when out in front. Not so good when "in traffic" and the racing is close, with elbows flying... And does like a wide blast around the bends... Which sees him get picked off by those riding the white line far too many times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, DazS said: its funny how we have biggest home advantage on probably the easiest and fairest race track in the country. !! It is unique... Often delivering great racing based on the Aces passing their opponents... Many riders have said that it takes a while to find the right set up between getting out of the starts and still having enough speed in the race... The Aces have a big advantage being dialled in from the off, and, depending on track and the weather conditions, they now have enough experience and knowledge to adapt accordingly... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Bitter sweet this for me, while it's good to see my (now) local team get a win under their belts for the Aces the form of Bewley is worrying. Although his Ekstraliga seems fine, 7th in a averages (albeit early season), haven't managed to catch a Wroclaw meeting stream as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 pete craven meeting av times 63/64 seconds Lieberman, not very far behind some of the worlds best. the last couple of meetings track grippy times 59 seconds bigger gaps between riders, thats down to bigger balls.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: That’s four live meetings I have watched this year and a problem where one gate was so much better or one was dreadful has surfaced in every one of them. The closeness of the match kept this meeting alive as it certainly wasn’t the quality of the racing which was generally gate and go with the odd pass now and then, the middle section of the track was hopeless and really slick, with very little grip as riders found out. Quite why tracks are not prepared to ensure gates are as even as possible and at least some grip everywhere to offer riders the chance to pass opponents is beyond me. Their didn’t appear to be a vast amount of spectators watching, having some knowledge of Birmingham I am assuming most of the supporters were watching from inside due mainly to the weather as well as the view from trackside which is limited at best, but the home supporters went home happy following the expected decision after Pawlicki went down as the Kurtz exclusion settled the match in Birminghams favour. I think you must have been watching a different meeting? there was plenty of passing from where I was watching the meeting? The consistency of the 'gate' positions are always up for question...but it also has a lot to do with how the rider handles the first 2 bends on approach! (there was a race win from each gate last night...albeit only 1 from gate 3 ) If riders did/do a track walk, then they would've seen where the dirt was/wasnt? they wouldn't need to have to ride it to find out? Pawlicki going down gave BV a 2nd bite of the cherry, had he stayed on B'ham would still have won! ....may be he thought that the race would be awarded? Would like to know why it wasnt? the refereeing has been poor this season! Why no warning for Kurtz moving at the start? Hoping Brennan/Worrall can pass a bit of 'track set-up' knowledge,when B'ham visit BV next week! Edited April 30 by GiveusaB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 25 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: I think you must have been watching a different meeting? there was plenty of passing from where I was watching the meeting? The consistency of the 'gate' positions are always up for question...but it also has a lot to do with how the rider handles the first 2 bends on approach! If riders did/do a track walk, then they would've seen where the dirt was/wasnt? they wouldn't need to have to ride it to find out? Pawlicki going down gave BV a 2nd bite of the cherry, had he stayed on B'ham would still have won! ....may be he thought that the race would be awarded? Would like to know why it wasnt? the refereeing has been poor this season! Why no warning for Kurtz moving at the start? Hoping Brennan/Worrall can pass a bit of 'track set-up' knowledge,when B'ham visit BV next week! Hopefully with the new averages out tomorrow it'll give you guys a bit more scope to rearrange the team riding order as Milik has been hopelessly out of his depth riding at Number 1. Whether the management will have the nous to get the riding order more balanced is another question though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, Col said: Bitter sweet this for me, while it's good to see my (now) local team get a win under their belts for the Aces the form of Bewley is worrying. Although his Ekstraliga seems fine, 7th in a averages (albeit early season), haven't managed to catch a Wroclaw meeting stream as yet. Wroclaw on tv tonight rearranged match at Czestohowa on Canal +sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 37 minutes ago, iainb said: Hopefully with the new averages out tomorrow it'll give you guys a bit more scope to rearrange the team riding order as Milik has been hopelessly out of his depth riding at Number 1. Whether the management will have the nous to get the riding order more balanced is another question though. Need to change Lampart for a so called Heat Leader! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 1 hour ago, Col said: Bitter sweet this for me, while it's good to see my (now) local team get a win under their belts for the Aces the form of Bewley is worrying. Although his Ekstraliga seems fine, 7th in an averages (albeit early season), haven't managed to catch a Wroclaw meeting stream as yet. There is one on tonight against Częstochowa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 (edited) 15 hours ago, mikebv said: "The first out of the start wins".... From what I saw then read on updates only 12 out of 15 (80%) were like this. Just shows the ignorance of none speedway fans. Edited April 30 by ouch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: Their didn’t appear to be a vast amount of spectators watching, having some knowledge of Birmingham I am assuming most of the supporters were watching from inside due mainly to the weather as well as the view from trackside which is limited at best, but the home supporters went home happy following the expected decision after Pawlicki went down as the Kurtz exclusion settled the match in Birminghams favour. About 60:40 ratio out to in I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 8 minutes ago, ouch said: From what I saw then read on updates only 12 out of 15 (80%) were like this. Just shows the ignorance of none speedway fans. And yet F1 does so well? First corner, race over... Unless the tyre fitters can come up trumps... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 8 minutes ago, arnieg said: About 60:40 ratio out to in I reckon. 800 or so in total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 A poor display from BV last night. The best team won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Good meeting, well done to Birmingham on getting that first win. Don't think they are too far away from a decent side, if only they could find a genuine number 1. Thought it was strange not to award the last heat but luckily it didn't make a difference, would have been a cruel way to miss out if Bewley had won that and they then lost the super-heat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Cheese said: Good meeting, well done to Birmingham on getting that first win. Don't think they are too far away from a decent side, if only they could find a genuine number 1. Thought it was strange not to award the last heat but luckily it didn't make a difference, would have been a cruel way to miss out if Bewley had won that and they then lost the super-heat! Great to see Tom Brennan step up to the plate (twice) in that last race, I think most (me) probably had him down as coming in at the back in 15 Edited April 30 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Poor meeting from Belle Vue's point of view, Kurtz & Blodorn aside. Lidsey, Cook and Bewley (especially) will have to be more consistent if the Aces are to have any impact this season. They'll be fine at home, but away they are sadly lacking. Well done to Birmingham though, well deserved. Like others, I can't understand why heat 15 wasn't awarded - potentially a totally unfair result if Bewley had turned left a bit harder in the rerun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 17 hours ago, Hawk127 said: Does not really match the standard of the Polish top flight and anyone who watched yesterday’s meetings will despair at the extremes in terms of quality. It is embarrassing by comparison and at the same time a shame that UK speedway will never match the league racing including the enthusiastic supporters that you get with Poland. Surely it is time to drop the live action in the UK on national television and show a highlights programme leaving BSN to show the sport on live streams. It would be good if ITV 4 sport were convinced to show matches from Poland. It might help the U K sport. U K speedway is a poor relation to what is available elsewhere. You stick to Poland, I'm very happy with the product here, great meeting last night and really pleased the Brummies did it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 5 hours ago, mikebv said: The Aces are poorer than last season.. Replaced Wright and Brennan with Cook and Blodorn, leaving no "reserve/second string' ar No6.. They had to shed more points than any other team so, unless unearthing a 'four point superstar' were always going to be a lesser force.. That said, they are only Dan Bewley away from winning most meetings so far, and Dan started last season poorly (over here), as well... Looks like he makes his money at the NSS... Blodorn and Cook both doing their part well though, so the Aces will be in the play offs I would think, and also, they wont lose too many bonus points given their home track advantage.. A decent watch last night, with some good, close racing in every race, hope it gives Brum some good local publicity in their drive to attract bigger crowds... Exactly, that was my point. They are much weaker than last season and fail to see where the improvements are going to come from. Blodorn is doing way better away than I expected and mountain in reserve will get them a few points. 3 hours ago, bellevueace said: Im still to be convinced never thought he was the rider a lot make him out to be, talented but not the second coming of PC or Mort as some would have you believe. Not in the same league as PC and Mort. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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