SPEEDY69 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 31 minutes ago, chun said: they need to close this loophole by including scores from the guest bookings to count toward his rolling average? And also R Lambert for the last two years if there's to be equity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 51 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: And also R Lambert for the last two years if there's to be equity. lambert, or any other playoff mercenary, should come at a premium on their fair rolling average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 8 hours ago, szkocjasid said: They changed the rules to allow more guests. I guess because the fans all love guests? Scott and Bomber had several blank dates in their calendar..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 4 hours ago, Triple.H. said: He's a wily old campaigner. In a ridiculously planned system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Sure i read it somewhere that a 28 day contract doesn't count towards his average same as guesting hence why he had a month at Wolves last season and then stepped in at Birmingham at the start of this season and still retains the same average regardless of his scores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, kevin bass said: Sure i read it somewhere that a 28 day contract doesn't count towards his average same as guesting hence why he had a month at Wolves last season and then stepped in at Birmingham at the start of this season and still retains the same average regardless of his scores Nah, a 28 day replacement does count for averages, Nicholls will get a new average in May. Last year he only guested for Wolves, so didn't affect his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 14 hours ago, Badge said: Lol this will be our 3rd home meeting and Scott will have ridden in them all Seriously devalues the product as a sporting contest Farcical situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Seriously devalues the product as a sporting contest Farcical situation Not really sure why they've started dishing out guests for second strings, that's what R/R is for I'd have thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Seriously devalues the product as a sporting contest Farcical situation Great to see the old boys whipping the young 'uns sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, chun said: they need to close this loophole by including scores from the guest bookings to count toward his rolling average? And get riders taking guest bookings and scoring nothing so it then lowers their average? That would be a daft idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 57 minutes ago, Najjer said: And get riders taking guest bookings and scoring nothing so it then lowers their average? That would be a daft idea. would they not earn any money then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 and no one else would book them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Not really sure why they've started dishing out guests for second strings, that's what R/R is for I'd have thought. I think it's because Leicester were weakened last year when Morris got banned & they had to use r/r. Then at the AGM the other promoters probably thought "that could happen to me" so they voted for more guests allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I think it's because Leicester were weakened last year when Morris got banned & they had to use r/r. Then at the AGM the other promoters probably thought "that could happen to me" so they voted for more guests allowed. That seems bonkers. Losing a rider because of injury or whatever reason should inevitably make your team weaker, that is the reality of it. Unfortunately they have now created a scenario where not only are you no longer weaker but you are actually far stronger. When riding at home with no logical reason using maths and statistics, you can get a guest with a higher percentage average than the missing rider. We now even have a scenario at Oxford where they’ve sacked and replaced a rider in Klindt, for Riss whilst keeping an injured rider in the side. There is no way that the league should of accepted that redecoration and the use of guests like Nicholls now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 49 minutes ago, Najjer said: That seems bonkers. Losing a rider because of injury or whatever reason should inevitably make your team weaker, that is the reality of it. Unfortunately they have now created a scenario where not only are you no longer weaker but you are actually far stronger. When riding at home with no logical reason using maths and statistics, you can get a guest with a higher percentage average than the missing rider. We now even have a scenario at Oxford where they’ve sacked and replaced a rider in Klindt, for Riss whilst keeping an injured rider in the side. There is no way that the league should of accepted that redecoration and the use of guests like Nicholls now. Totally agree - completely ridiculous to be able make this change and still use a guest It seems to be one step forward and two back in the attempt to get the sport back from the brink when something like this is allowed to happen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Najjer said: That seems bonkers. Losing a rider because of injury or whatever reason should inevitably make your team weaker, that is the reality of it. That's the problem with many speedway promoters / fans etc. They act like if you are weakened by injury that's a disaster & shouldn't be allowed. To me that should be expected & accepted. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Najjer said: We now even have a scenario at Oxford where they’ve sacked and replaced a rider in Klindt, for Riss whilst keeping an injured rider in the side. There is no way that the league should of accepted that redecoration and the use of guests like Nicholls now. As Riss could replace Kerr, meaning Oxford would no longer need a guest, I would support a ruling where Oxford were not allowed to drop Klindt & still use a guest for Kerr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Sheffield's scandalous use of guests in the final last year spring to mind. Etheridge for Vissing (who barely rode before getting injured) basically won them the league: 6. Jye Etheridge (G) - 3, 1, 0, 2', 3 = 9+1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Really nice feature / tributes to JL in the star today 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 2 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: Really nice feature / tributes to JL in the star today It was excellent and very fitting. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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