DJC Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 SGB set up really don’t seem to like the Thompson boys. Surely the way Dan has started the season vs Jenkins start would have warranted a place? Is it still Vatcher in charge or do Allen/Stead play a role? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Speedball said: Czech’s obviously finished strongly as we were only 6 down with 4 heats to go (Czech Rep 38, GB 32, France 16, Germany 9). Terrible last 4 heats, and Brennan missed his last ride to get his helicopter 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 9 minutes ago, stevehone said: Terrible last 4 heats, and Brennan missed his last ride to get his helicopter You were right in you assessment of the Czechs.Our young talent is in short supply,compared with Continental riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Bednar looks to be one of the best coming out of the Czech Republic, worth keeping an eye on for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 What an utter shambles and disgrace TEAM GB are! Brennan leaving before the last ride is disgraceful. To represent your country is the ultimate aim of any sports person and to let the country down is disgraceful to say the least. Inept management in every respect of team selection and the reasons behind selection. Pitiful display by who some regard as our future super star rising stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 6 hours ago, stevehone said: Bednar looks to be one of the best coming out of the Czech Republic, worth keeping an eye on for sure Already silver medalist in Czech senior Championship and he is younger than Ashton Boughen (by 9 days) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 (edited) 4 hours ago, secsy1 said: What an utter shambles and disgrace TEAM GB are! Brennan leaving before the last ride is disgraceful. To represent your country is the ultimate aim of any sports person and to let the country down is disgraceful to say the least. Inept management in every respect of team selection and the reasons behind selection. Pitiful display by who some regard as our future super star rising stars You have take in the fact that the meeting was postponed from Sat.Brennan could have pulled out altogether.We don’t have a lot of rising super stars these days. Edited April 22 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Last year at Pardubice we had a meeting postponed and then rearranged for a 9am start, Mikkelsen and Bewley got helicopters to their Polish meetings and Adam Ellis drove but missed his sign in by minutes I believe so couldn’t ride in the meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Some of our lads do appear to have a bigger expectation of them than maybe their capability level would currently warrant... Messrs Screen, Loram, Woffinden, Lambert and Bewley were, whilst well under 21, beating world level heat leaders regularly... Wouldn't be a bad thing to lower expectation, and therefore pressure, on these lads.. If they reach HL level in Div 2 and No6/SS level in Div 1, it will be an achievement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: Some of our lads do appear to have a bigger expectation of them than maybe their capability level would currently warrant... Messrs Screen, Loram, Woffinden, Lambert and Bewley were, whilst well under 21, beating world level heat leaders regularly... Wouldn't be a bad thing to lower expectation, and therefore pressure, on these lads.. If they reach HL level in Div 2 and No6/SS level in Div 1, it will be an achievement... None of the current crop could hold a candle to the names you have mentioned.Like I said we do not have a great deal of international level youngsters at present. Edited April 22 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Some of our lads do appear to have a bigger expectation of them than maybe their capability level would currently warrant... Messrs Screen, Loram, Woffinden, Lambert and Bewley were, whilst well under 21, beating world level heat leaders regularly... Wouldn't be a bad thing to lower expectation, and therefore pressure, on these lads.. If they reach HL level in Div 2 and No6/SS level in Div 1, it will be an achievement... 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: None of the current crop could hold a candle to the names you have mentioned.Like I said we do not have a great deal of international level youngsters at present. I agree with both posts. The main problem seems to be that the current crop actually think they are better than what they are and have achieved nothing at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 What's all this ranting and raving based on? Was anybody expecting us to go over and beat the Czechs in their own back yard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 10 hours ago, Bagpuss said: What's all this ranting and raving based on? Was anybody expecting us to go over and beat the Czechs in their own back yard? Actually, YES. Just consider the amount of meetings and different tracks the GB have visited so far this year. Not as many opportunities for the Czech riders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 On 4/21/2024 at 2:03 PM, DJC said: SGB set up really don’t seem to like the Thompson boys. Surely the way Dan has started the season vs Jenkins start would have warranted a place? Is it still Vatcher in charge or do Allen/Stead play a role? The British sides selected by Allen & Stead, seem to follow a list of rides, which doesn't change. Woffy, Lambert, Bewley for SON Add Ellis, Brennan for SWC So for European events it's Bewley, Ellis, Brennan, Harris (then dropped for Jenkins). Now we have Boughen ahead of Dan T. It seems like ability doesn't move you up the "rankings" mainly how willing riders are to travel. Connor Bailey as U21 Champ not a reserve for Cardiff as he didn't travel for European events for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 On 4/22/2024 at 7:41 AM, secsy1 said: What an utter shambles and disgrace TEAM GB are! Brennan leaving before the last ride is disgraceful. To represent your country is the ultimate aim of any sports person and to let the country down is disgraceful to say the least. Inept management in every respect of team selection and the reasons behind selection. Pitiful display by who some regard as our future super star rising stars As long as he didn't leave while GB had a chance of winning, that doesn't bother me. Mind you, can't remember the exact year(s), Robert Lambert got entered into the GP qualifiers, despite not racing in the British final, placings from this meeting should decide who's nominated imo. So if riders loyal to British Speedway/ the British final get overlooked, how can we expect them to be loyal in return (country ahead of club)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 the only main FIM event in the year is the SWC/SoN, all the others are FIMEurope and these meetings have a lot more limitations, not only financial but also on riders allowed i.e only one GP rider in teams. Some nations choose to use a GP rider, some choose to blood youngsters, others choose experience with youngsters. It's about finding the balance and of course riders that want to be involved. Pulling on a national racejacket isn't always the same now as it was in the past, sometimes it comes down to finances and availability. I can assure you though that GB do take things incredibly seriously and are constantly working to try to progress and push riders that want to be involved and there will certainly be more medals earned this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 23 Author Report Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, stevehone said: the only main FIM event in the year is the SWC/SoN, all the others are FIMEurope and these meetings have a lot more limitations, not only financial but also on riders allowed i.e only one GP rider in teams. Some nations choose to use a GP rider, some choose to blood youngsters, others choose experience with youngsters. It's about finding the balance and of course riders that want to be involved. Pulling on a national racejacket isn't always the same now as it was in the past, sometimes it comes down to finances and availability. I can assure you though that GB do take things incredibly seriously and are constantly working to try to progress and push riders that want to be involved and there will certainly be more medals earned this season. So why didn’t they enter the European team Championship in 2024 ? Prize money is decent in that comp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Do they qualify for whatever the next round is, or was it winners only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 26 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: The British sides selected by Allen & Stead, seem to follow a list of rides, which doesn't change. Woffy, Lambert, Bewley for SON Add Ellis, Brennan for SWC So for European events it's Bewley, Ellis, Brennan, Harris (then dropped for Jenkins). Now we have Boughen ahead of Dan T. It seems like ability doesn't move you up the "rankings" mainly how willing riders are to travel. Connor Bailey as U21 Champ not a reserve for Cardiff as he didn't travel for European events for example. They seem to have taken the Southgate approach. Pick on name, team and reputation not form It does feel like Boughen should be in and around the squad as he is widely lauded as the next big thing but Jenkins was a very odd choice for me. The Thompson family don't come across as not willing to travel to help aid their lads development (don't know anything about them to comment further). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 23 Author Report Share Posted April 23 12 minutes ago, skydog said: Do they qualify for whatever the next round is, or was it winners only? Winners only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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