chunky Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Is it just me or has the SGP series become horrifically stale? Apart from Lambert.I just can't engage with these rider's, they just bore me. The whole thing needs a freshen up imo That's fine. Get rid of Zmarzlik, Holder, Bewley etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Well those predicting Jason Doyle’s demise in the series might have been a bit premature! - but it’s a long series so let’s see - based on tonight Woffindens days in the series might be numbered - but better tracks might yield different results! Jack Holder certainly the best in show tonight! fairly routine and largely dull event tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Would help the racing if you could get a more even starting gate, thou most are the same, nearly always one shocking gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 A smattering of decent heats, right winner, best on show tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Decent GP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Enjoyed the meeting. Gate 4 was awful which is not good, but most races had a bit of incident. Not saying that this was a cracker by any means, but still enjoyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Have seen worse GP's. The track seemed to change quite a few times and those with experience dealt with that best, but generally if you were left behind you were screwed. Holder a very worthy winner, hopefully he can stop it being a one horse race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 (edited) Really can't understand the point of the scoring system, for example Woffinden 3 points = 1 GP point. If Woffy had fallen off instead of winning one race, he'd still score the same single point! Then you have Kvech, Wozniak & Vaculik all scoring 6 points, but Vaculik gets 2 more GP points than Kvech - is this really the best they can come up with? Edited April 27 by szkocjasid 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 For sure, no rider can complain about their gates, Jack Holder had 2 grid fours in the heats & top scored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 18 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Really can't understand the point of the scoring system, for example Woffinden 3 points = 1 GP point. If Woffy had fallen off instead of winning one race, he'd still score the same single point! Then you have Kvech, Wozniak & Vaculik all scoring 6 points, but Vaculik gets 2 more GP points than Kvech - is this really the best they can come up with? Must admit it was better when ALL points counted..... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 (edited) Personally I thought it was a pretty decent GP, above average in fact compared to recent years. It may not be racing for the purist, but the way the bikes and tracks are riders seem to have to be pretty extreme to make any moves and use the ruts, it certainly makes for entertainment and the FIM don't seem to be in any hurry to tone the bikes down. Heat 15 was purist stuff and a great race! None of the noobs disgraced themselves and probably did at least as good as some of the journeyman that have been cast aside this year with maybe Huckenbeck being the stand out. Maybe the reason a lot of the field don't resonate with some is because we just don't get to see most of them regularly in this country anymore? As for Woffy, for me he's at the stage of his career where he's quite comparable to Doyley and the contrast between the 2 is blindingly obvious to see, just the body language on the bike, Doyley looks as though he'd do almost anything to get back to the top, his semi final 2nd place was all you needed to see, brilliant stuff, Woffy... I can see him retiring from Speedway at the end of the year. Well done to Jack Holder, very impressive, I like his style, just the right amount of arrogance without going over the top with it and he's able to back it up unlike Woffy these days. Edited April 27 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 27 Author Report Share Posted April 27 GP points 20 J Holder 18 Doyle 16 Lindgren 14 Zmarzlik 12 Lambert 11 Huckenbeck 10 Madsen 9 Kubera 8 Michelsen 7 Vaculik 6 Wozniak 5 Kvech 4 Lebedevs 3 Bewley 2 Zagar 1 Woffinden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 A decent meeting with some excellent speedway. So good to see someone other than Zmarzlik winning. Lambert sadly went backwards in his last 2 important heats but well done to Holder. Track got rougher as the meeting went on and glad that gate 4 came good in the last 2 important heats, Freddie made good use of it in the final. Woffy looked completely disinterested pulling up when at the back is a pet hate of mine. Bewley has speed but gets lost in traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Bewley has speed but gets lost in traffic. He was also out wide looking for grip when there wasn't any... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, andout said: Must admit it was better when ALL points counted..... I will say this again; at least this system guarantees that the GP winner gets the most points! I HATE when people do this, but here's how it WOULD have looked under the old system (with comparison in brackets)... 18 - Holder (-2) 14 - Zmarzlik (=) 12 - Lambert (=) 12 - Doyle (-6) 11 - Huckenbeck (=) 11 - Lindgren (-5) 9 - Madsen (-1) 8 - Kubera (-1) 7 - Michelsen (-1) 6 - Vaculik (-1) 6 - Wozniak (=) 6 - Kvech (+1) 5 - Lebedevs (+1) 5 - Bewley (+2) 4 - Zagar (+2) 3 - Woffinden (+2) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, chunky said: I will say this again; at least this system guarantees that the GP winner gets the most points! 1) there are far better ways to achieve that 2) this won't be the case in the Cardiff & Warsaw GPs. I find it odd they created a system for the reason you said, then qualifying can stop the GP winner being top scorer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 7 hours ago, chunky said: I will say this again; at least this system guarantees that the GP winner gets the most points! I HATE when people do this, but here's how it WOULD have looked under the old system (with comparison in brackets)... 18 - Holder (-2) 14 - Zmarzlik (=) 12 - Lambert (=) 12 - Doyle (-6) 11 - Huckenbeck (=) 11 - Lindgren (-5) 9 - Madsen (-1) 8 - Kubera (-1) 7 - Michelsen (-1) 6 - Vaculik (-1) 6 - Wozniak (=) 6 - Kvech (+1) 5 - Lebedevs (+1) 5 - Bewley (+2) 4 - Zagar (+2) 3 - Woffinden (+2) Big difference for Lindgren and Doyle and also those towards the bottom. Although as Chris Louis mentioned Lindgren and Doyle did not win a race all night yet both ended up on the podium! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 They kept saying Zagar doesn't have a club, I thought someone had said before that he is riding in Denmark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: They kept saying Zagar doesn't have a club, I thought someone had said before that he is riding in Denmark? I tell you what, er, erm, er... they kept saying lots of things... Freddie Lindgren had long Covid... who knew?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 14 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: They kept saying Zagar doesn't have a club, I thought someone had said before that he is riding in Denmark? Grindsted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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