bigcatdiary Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 47 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not sure why we need to bother about a superheat now there is an aggregate bonus point... For Brum, that could feel like a defeat, which, considering the challenges they face, gives a negative spin to the night. Which they don't need... After 15 heats the match ends in a draw. What's wrong with that? You may as well run just one heat and end the night, given the match starts nil-nil... Use the superheat for a tie overall maybe over the two legs, but let a draw be a draw... Neither team did enough to win in the meeting itself, team v team, so let that be the result... The Superheat seriously favours teams with two big hitters and as it’s said when you have an aggregate bonus point up for grabs it isn’t necessary. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 7 hours ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: What was the size of the crowd.??? If the average last year was about 500 it was at least double that. I am sure he needed 1000 last year to break even and I'd say it was more than that. Based on what was outside and what was I was told a much bigger than average inside, I'd say around 1300 to 1500 last night. I would think his break even is not massively higher as he gets substantial tv money you don't get in the CL. So he may even have made a few quid. I have rarely seen great racing in March so am sure the racing will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 On the video of heat 15 which I saw on social media earlier didn't seem to have clouds of dust appearing from the back wheels which was the problem when I last visited a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brianbuck Posted March 26 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 26 The track was very wet from overnight and morning rain, and although I was there before 4pm, I didn't see any water being added. It did seem a bit greasy and this probably made passing more difficult. I thought we caught Sheffield cold in the early stages and were able to twice build up a ten point lead, but Sheffield always looked to be capable of catching us up, and being able to use Tai Woffinden four times in the last six races (including the superheat) was hugely to their advantage - although fair play to their team manager for reading the situation rightly. I didn't think Birmingham's Team Manager made any blunders. He might have made a couple of late changes but these probably wouldn't have affected the final outcome. In my opinion, the superheat spoiled the meeting. What is wrong with a drawn match anyway? Both clubs and their supporters would have gone home happy with a draw, so why ruin things for half of them with a daft rule that very few people ever wanted introduced in the first place? (That's not sour grapes, and I congratulate Sheffield on their win which I think they perhaps just about deserved, but I was delighted with the size of the crowd which was a great relief and was well deserved by a promotion which has worked so hard to keep speedway in Birmingham, and by the enthusiasm displayed - made so much better by Sheffield's happy and noisy contingent. This I think, justifies the gamble to move up to the Premiership, and will hopefully lead to more entertaining meetings like this one. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 I hate the super heat. There I said it. Completely deflates the side that hard earned a draw. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 There is only seven teams in the league, no need for added points here and there, you need to try and keep the overall points down so they are as close as possible to the eye. But you know how it works, we must have these silly gimmicks to keep the interest going in the short term, even if it damages it in the long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 I like the superheat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 40 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: I like the superheat. Personally I don't simply because it favours the teams that build with stronger heat leaders,rather than strength in depth.It must influence team building to a certain extent, for what is little more than a gimic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, castrolargh said: Personally I don't simply because it favours the teams that build with stronger heat leaders,rather than strength in depth.It must influence team building to a certain extent, for what is little more than a gimic. Then build top heavy? If not, you have 15 heats to avoid a “superheat”, if you can’t, tough. Birmingham were 10 points up, twice and still didn’t win. That’s their fault. Every club and every supporter knows the rules, if you finish level after 15 heats then it’s a superheat. I’m in the minority it seems reading the comments on here, I’ve no problem with that. I have my own opinion and won’t be swayed by others. For me it adds drama, you gain an extra heat with the 4 best riders on show for your money. OK it sucks if you’re on the wrong end of it, but if you’re on the winning end there’s no better feeling. A couple of seasons ago we had it twice at Ipswich and they were the lasting memory of the entire season for me personally. At the end of the superheats, strangers were hugging each other all over the place, you’d think we’d just won the title there and then! The place was buzzing. I’m all for anything that creates an extra bit of excitement. Birmingham didn’t lose their point for “drawing” did they? They still took their point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 Just now, Arch Stanton said: Then build top heavy? If not, you have 15 heats to avoid a “superheat”, if you can’t, tough. Birmingham were 10 points up, twice and still didn’t win. That’s their fault. Every club and every supporter knows the rules, if you finish level after 15 heats then it’s a superheat. I’m in the minority it seems reading the comments on here, I’ve no problem with that. I have my own opinion and won’t be swayed by others. For me it adds drama, you gain an extra heat with the 4 best riders on show for your money. OK it sucks if you’re on the wrong end of it, but if you’re on the winning end there’s no better feeling. A couple of seasons ago we had it twice at Ipswich and they were the lasting memory of the entire season for me personally. At the end of the superheats, strangers were hugging each other all over the place, you’d think we’d just won the title there and then! The place was buzzing. I’m all for anything that creates an extra bit of excitement. Birmingham didn’t lose their point for “drawing” did they? They still took their point. As you said, you have your opinion, as do I, it doesn't mean I'm right . Youve seen positives in it first hand, which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 Just now, castrolargh said: As you said, you have your opinion, as do I, it doesn't mean I'm right . Youve seen positives in it first hand, which is good. Absolutely, each to their own. I’ll bet my last Rolo though that those against it didn’t walk out after heat 15 and refused to watch it.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 I like the superheat, we had some crackers at Peterborough in our time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: I like the superheat, we had some crackers at Peterborough in our time. i think it should be best of 3. Edited March 26 by DazS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 14 minutes ago, DazS said: i think it should be best of 3. They have just had the best of 15.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, DazS said: i think it should be best of 3. I think maybe a system like the tie break in golf rather than the current points for a superheat. First heat advantage after heat 15 wins the extra point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 Good to see a decent crowd. The news on the BSPA site has an image which shows a decent number of people alonmg the home straight etc. Might try for a trip down myself sometime. I suspect peoples views of the super heat maybe defined by the success, the Witches had a couple of decent results from it last year, however if there is the agregate BP then yes it seems odd to have both systems. Like someone posted above I am not sure if any team subs / changes late on would have affected the final result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, mikebv said: They have just had the best of 15.... Rock, Paper Scissors then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 A decent meeting all round. Sheffield seemed to struggle early on, particularly getting out of the gate and on a one line track with little chance for passing in the early heats they fell a long way behind very quickly. Woffinden found his feet for his second ride and was backed up superbly by Edwards, and the outside line coming into play was used well by Holder, Woffinden and Picko in later heats. All the hard work was undone when Chris Holder fell and the 10 point deficit was back, but Sheffield proved too strong in the later heats to pull it back. Super heat ended up a massive anti-climax with the exclusion of Milik, but the 3 riders gave it their all and still gave us a good race to end the meeting. I don't think any fans could go home disappointed after a meeting like that whichever team they were supporting, and a great match for a neutral. Observations I would make as a first time visitor. Viewing is very poor with the home straight being too low and the track lights seemed to be the perfect height to dazzle from there, and the 'terracing' on the bend could do with being a little higher to give a better view over the air fence. Track seemed very dry to me and I wondered if they had left it that way on the expectation of more rain during the day. Expected to see some water put down but it never happened. No mention from anybody of the bonus lap we received in one of the heats ? For some reason the last lap flag didn't come out when it should have done, leading to many on the terraces questioning themselves as to how many laps had been completed. Chequered finally came down after 5 laps, with an announcement that the result was taken after 4. All well and good as nothing changed anyway, but wouldn't have been so great if someone had crashed on lap 5 and done themselves some damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 I think if we must havexa superheat then maybe a superheat after both legs if the scores are tied on aggregate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Did many Wolves fans attend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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