bigcatdiary Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, FishersGate said: After looking back and doing some research there certainly was a few dodgy decisions by the ref that went against both teams. The track was a weird one really, gate 4 was making it the heats to predictable which was a real shame but it was also refreshing not to see the tractor out every 3 heats. I think the score was a fair assessment of the both sides. I'm happy as like SD said, just win the meeting..and we did, so I went home happy. They were all shocking decisions by someone who has been a referee for years, basic errors that shouldn’t happen. And yet as someone mentioned we had two grading breaks when no grading was done, gate 4 was a shocking advantage whilst gate 2 was dreadful, this matter needed sorting out early doors, they did nothing which unfortunately made racing in the first half generally from the gate and very predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Just now, bigcatdiary said: They were all shocking decisions by someone who has been a referee for years, basic errors that shouldn’t happen. And yet as someone mentioned we had two grading breaks when no grading was done, gate 4 was a shocking advantage whilst gate 2 was dreadful, this matter needed sorting out early doors, they did nothing which unfortunately made racing in the first half generally from the gate and very predictable. That's my only issue with last night, the track. Apart from tarasenko no one else looked like passing. It looked like from where I was standing the camber has been levelled off slightly, so no more of that sling shot back into straights anymore. Gate 4 does need sorting, think someone said 12 heats were won from there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 27 minutes ago, FishersGate said: That's my only issue with last night, the track. Apart from tarasenko no one else looked like passing. It looked like from where I was standing the camber has been levelled off slightly, so no more of that sling shot back into straights anymore. Gate 4 does need sorting, think someone said 12 heats were won from there! That is correct. I hate to bang on about my own favourite gripe, but the only chance of dealing with "uneven" gates during a meeting is men with rakes. Edited March 22 by False dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 27 minutes ago, FishersGate said: That's my only issue with last night, the track. Apart from tarasenko no one else looked like passing. It looked like from where I was standing the camber has been levelled off slightly, so no more of that sling shot back into straights anymore. Gate 4 does need sorting, think someone said 12 heats were won from there! I think it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The track was clearly well packed with little loose shale. Standard practice when the weather is wet and unpredictable. Put more shale on and it rains and it quickly turns into a quagmire. Edited March 22 by False dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 I'm surprised no one has mentioned the real source of entertainment. That being the two minute clock. You'd have thought they would have checked it worked correctly prior to the meeting. Repeated attempts to get it stop from starting at 3 minutes were successful late on only for it to then to insist on starting from 40 seconds. Ironically, I felt the meeting did actually move along quite well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 17 minutes ago, False dawn said: I'm surprised no one has mentioned the real source of entertainment. That being the two minute clock. You'd have thought they would have checked it worked correctly prior to the meeting. Repeated attempts to get it stop from starting at 3 minutes were successful late on only for it to then to insist on starting from 40 seconds. Ironically, I felt the meeting did actually move along quite well. Not just me then. Kept me amused all night. Not the brightest idea having a red display either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: Not just me then. Kept me amused all night. Not the brightest idea having a red display either. The one at Ipswich seems to be placed so when viewing from the 2nd bend grandstand and someone is stood partially in the way of the clock ive mistaken it for a red light on more than one occasion. Still bespite the doom and gloom there is a lot to be hopeful about - the season launch event looked good to me and both Ipswich and Oxford seemed to have good crowds last night and the season seems that it will be fairly evenly contested based on results so far - I am not sure if Ipswich picked up any Panthers - I did see one Pathers jacket last night at Foxhall - lets hope a Peterborough solution is found. I passed Alwalton turn off on the A1 on Wednesday and i did think - such a shame that the EoES has gone! Edited March 22 by GeneralMelchett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 16 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: Not just me then. Kept me amused all night. Not the brightest idea having a red display either. I thought that, when standing on bend four I thought the red lights kept coming on every race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, iainb said: There was nothing wrong with the track, you'll probably see that when hopefully we'll see Tarasenko's heat 13 ride on socials later today! What apart from the uneven gates all night and very little racing or passing. Yes brilliant, that and a totally incompetent referee, yeah superb entertainment, fans will be flocking back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I watched it courtesy of BSN who I am pleased to say again made a very decent show of it. The track was dreadful, the starting area was just ridiculous, gate four was so good nearly everyone won from it, you could count the number of genuine passes on one hand and gate 2 was as bad as gate 4 was good. Clearly both teams were suffering from match practice and it was close so it kept the meeting watchable. The Referee “Dave Watters” had three decisions to make all night and cocked them all up big time, the first when Kemp totally locked up and was collected by Thompson in heat 2 was frankly embarrassing, how on earth that wasn’t Kemp excluded, Thompson awarded second and Wojdylo third is anyone’s guess. Then we had the starting gate pole left out on track in heat 3 when it clearly obstructed Palm Toft, my understanding is these are not allowed any more, so that was missed by the start Marshall and the referee who both should have known that. Interestingly it wasn’t used again after that. And the third cock up was Kemp hitting the tapes in heat 14 which should have resulted in his exclusion but again the referee did nothing. BSN announced a FIM referee was also watching near the booth and was approached for his comments but declined to comment, I bet he did. Clearly the previous days weather didn’t help track preparation but why isn’t this track ever a decent racing strip which allows some kind of passing and close racing, despite many years and quite a few changes. I was also surprised that their didn’t appear to be too many watching for the first match of the season. Where is W9 Lion when you need a clarification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 i think the ref actually made the correct decision in heat 2. as far as he was aware, there was a coming together of the leicester riders with both falling and letting the lynn rider through to finish 2nd for a 0-5. surely just back luck for the lions. doesn’t really matter that kemp was the primary cause of the incident. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: They were all shocking decisions by someone who has been a referee for years, basic errors that shouldn’t happen. And yet as someone mentioned we had two grading breaks when no grading was done, gate 4 was a shocking advantage whilst gate 2 was dreadful, this matter needed sorting out early doors, they did nothing which unfortunately made racing in the first half generally from the gate and very predictable. You can not touch the gates after the meeting has started, if you could then you could really doctor them for your own teams benefit, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 42 minutes ago, chun said: i think the ref actually made the correct decision in heat 2. as far as he was aware, there was a coming together of the leicester riders with both falling and letting the lynn rider through to finish 2nd for a 0-5. surely just back luck for the lions. doesn’t really matter that kemp was the primary cause of the incident. I mean most people saw Kemp lose control and Thompson desperately try to avoid him, so what the referee was watching I don’t know. It was almost like slow motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: What apart from the uneven gates all night and very little racing or passing. Yes brilliant, that and a totally incompetent referee, yeah superb entertainment, fans will be flocking back. I didn't say it was brilliant racing, it was a pretty run of the mill meeting, the scores were close throughout the night which kept it interesting. You could argue that having 1 dominant gate, gate 4 is pretty fair as both teams will have it an equal amount of times throughout the night. What I am saying is don't point the finger at the track all of the time, Tarasenko proved there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. There were no dodgy patches, ruts, holes etc. Nobody was particularly getting into trouble with it, why blame the track? Edited March 22 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 17 minutes ago, BTFC LION said: You can not touch the gates after the meeting has started, if you could then you could really doctor them for your own teams benefit, Did Uncle Bob Dugard know this? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Just now, iainb said: Did Uncle Bob Dugard know this? The tractor he used had a wheel track 2 gates wide on our narrow track, surely wasn't his fault he had to flatten/pack most of gates 2 or 4 or 1 and 3 a bit when grading before heat 15 when we had the choice...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Roads Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 First meeting of the season yes not perfect racing but take into account the time of year and sporadic weather it will improve. Important to start with a win, Been following the lions for years at both sites we will have a good season with that team (if all stay injury free) I'm confident of that, great to see some wolves fans make the trip also. Only couple of moans I have is poor intro presentation again never changes.... get the riders to the start line like the old days introduce all and get a few practise laps for the fans to watch even better allow free practise 1 hour before start time as I see when in Poland whilst the team mangers are interviewed, present intro amateurish. Why cant we have some lights in the advertising banner over the start line to light up the start line...? this time of year real surprised not getting complaints from riders and refs as i for one struggle to see the full track on clear dark evenings...Moan over up the lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 I didn't watch the meeting, but from what I can gather, the heat 2 incident happened on the final lap and the other two riders finished the heat to get a 5-0. Could neither of the Leicester riders have pushed round or remounted for a point? The decision seems reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Grachan said: I didn't watch the meeting, but from what I can gather, the heat 2 incident happened on the final lap and the other two riders finished the heat to get a 5-0. Could neither of the Leicester riders have pushed round or remounted for a point? The decision seems reasonable to me. Joe Thompson needed help to get up as I think he’d been winded and he came off worse. Drew’s chain snapped according to one poster before. Wodjylo did well to miss the tangle up as well. I’m not sure what the rules are regarding pushing if you need to be helped/checked but it seemed to me that it was harsh on Joe who was in no danger until his team mate was out of control. …edited to add Joe didn’t fall of his own accord, he collided with Drew and also the question is when is the race finished? When the winner goes over or when everyone has finished? If Wodjylo hadn’t missed the Leicester riders would it have been a 3-0? Edited March 22 by 40-38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 should have been awarded 2-4. Heat 3 was shocking decision, didn't realise Kemp had touched the tapes in heat 14 so another shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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