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1 minute ago, bellevueace said:

 The only answer really is a different track holds it every season.

or a series of rounds

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9 minutes ago, iainb said:

or a series of rounds

Yes that would be an option but could be difficult to schedule in a season with a lot of rain offs.

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11 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Would you be happy it was at another track every yea?, instead of just the NSS . Tracks are different, and produce different results.

I wouldnt have a problem with it, especially if it was on a Saturday could make a weekend of it.

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11 hours ago, chunky said:

Good thing the World Final wasn't held at Wembley every year, eh? :t:

Interesting point, Chunky, and got me thinking about the winners of the World Final when it was held at Wembley. If you include the (British) Riders' Championship held in the immediate post-War years, there were 14 finals held at Wembley when it was also an active league track. Of those 14 finals, five were won by a Wembley rider. Interestingly, I would say that in any list of the "best", the three riders concerned, Lionel Van Praag, Tommy Price and Freddie Williams, would come pretty low down and certainly would fill the bottom three places of those from 1936-1956. Freddie Williams in particular is generally thought to have won twice only because of home track advantage.

Not sure what all that means and how it can be extrapolated to the present time, but I thought it was interesting.

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Is there really much in the “ home track advantage “ thing ? Speedway is such a fickle sport depended on so many unforseeable and unquantifiable factors that I would have thought that the higher up the order you get the more you should be capable of riding anywhere especially if you aspire to becoming a champion. 

There used to be a Swedish rider you may vaguely remember, Norbold, a chap by the name of Fundin. His famous comment was “ I want someone to build me a bike to get me to the first bend first, then I’ll do the rest “ . Surely the sign of a true champion is that as long as he has a decent bike he can “ do the rest “?

I thought it was a pretty decent meeting last night. Incredible to think that under the old 20 heat formula Tom  Brennan would be British Campion now.

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17 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Is there really much in the “ home track advantage “ thing ?

Bewley currently has a home average of 8.40 and away of 7.47, I'm not going to search through every rider but I'd bet you could count the number on one hand of those with a higher away average than home, if any at all... so the answer is yes. 

Do you think Bewley would have won on any other track? Possibly, would he have beaten Robert Lambert around King's Lynn?

The top 3 brits in the "away" averages are

1. Scott Nicholls 

2. Tai Woffinden 

3. Dan Bewley 

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I get it's held at Belle Vue of course as it's clearly one of the better venues in the country. It does stop me from going though as it's miles away from me. If they did it as rounds rather than a one off meeting your more likely to get a true British champion. Could be done at Glasgow, Belle Vue,  Leicester and Poole. All venues that can hold a decent amount of fans and are all unique in there own way. It also gives fans all across the country to go and watch the final and increase profit and revenue. Imagine being a Poole or Plymouth fan travelling all the way up to Manchester. 

Just my thoughts though, I highly doubt they will change the venue. Seems like Belle Vue and the BSPA are best buddies

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31 minutes ago, iainb said:

Bewley currently has a home average of 8.40 and away of 7.47, I'm not going to search through every rider but I'd bet you could count the number on one hand of those with a higher away average than home, if any at all... so the answer is yes. 

Do you think Bewley would have won on any other track? Possibly, would he have beaten Robert Lambert around King's Lynn?

The top 3 brits in the "away" averages are

1. Scott Nicholls 

2. Tai Woffinden 

3. Dan Bewley 

Imagine if it was held at Sheffield every season with Tai riding there, or Lambert at King's Lynn, or even Scott Nicholls at Ipswich. Belle Vue fans would start a riot!

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1 hour ago, norbold said:

Interesting point, Chunky, and got me thinking about the winners of the World Final when it was held at Wembley. If you include the (British) Riders' Championship held in the immediate post-War years, there were 14 finals held at Wembley when it was also an active league track. Of those 14 finals, five were won by a Wembley rider. Interestingly, I would say that in any list of the "best", the three riders concerned, Lionel Van Praag, Tommy Price and Freddie Williams, would come pretty low down and certainly would fill the bottom three places of those from 1936-1956. Freddie Williams in particular is generally thought to have won twice only because of home track advantage.

Not sure what all that means and how it can be extrapolated to the present time, but I thought it was interesting.

You sound like me! I find stats and facts "interesting", and I would class myself as an anorak! However, I think it's stupid when people always claim a definite correlation between facts, like "He only won because it was at...", and, "They wouldn't have done that if it was at...".

Just because Alan Emmett was top of the Div 1 averages in 1973 doesn't mean he was the best rider...

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2 hours ago, lbw said:

 

 

Woffinden obviously been told to curb is language at last but he did say s--t for finishing  2nd to Dan but it was in front  of his small daughter unreal person :nono:

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55 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

I get it's held at Belle Vue of course as it's clearly one of the better venues in the country. It does stop me from going though as it's miles away from me. If they did it as rounds rather than a one off meeting your more likely to get a true British champion. Could be done at Glasgow, Belle Vue,  Leicester and Poole. All venues that can hold a decent amount of fans and are all unique in there own way. It also gives fans all across the country to go and watch the final and increase profit and revenue. Imagine being a Poole or Plymouth fan travelling all the way up to Manchester. 

Just my thoughts though, I highly doubt they will change the venue. Seems like Belle Vue and the BSPA are best buddies

What's the point of having a National Speedway Staduim not used for National Events Especially on TV which  produces top Racing not gate & go boring stuff by the the way bewley  was beaten 3 times last night and if was a normal 20 heat meeting brennan would have won the title and they wouldn't  have been much moaning about home advantage then woffinden  had home advantage at wolves for his 3 titles then did he ?? best rider wins on the night simple :t:

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Bewley does have home track advantage but it is what it is someone will at most tracks .I thought there was some good racing 

feel for Brennan ,I am old school he finished top in the 20 heats so should be champion don t like these one off finals but again it is what it is 

Bewley is crowed British Champion but does it mean he s the best British rider out there

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There’s not another premiership track I’d want the meeting at, quite often when I see meetings at different tracks on tv I think I couldn’t watch this every week, Belle Vue is still the best place to host it as chances are you’re going to get a decent meeting there. The ‘home advantage’ element of it you’d get at any track, it’s unavoidable.

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43 minutes ago, AceBelle said:

What's the point of having a National Speedway Staduim not used for National Events .....

You know, you raise an interesting thought. In my mind anyway. I love the BV track and enjoy my 3 or 4 visits a year there immensely. But who decided it was OUR "National" stadium. I guess I always assumed that it was a title dreamt up by the BV management when it was built, making it no more "National" than any other stadium.

But they can call it what they like. I don't think we have a better venue/racing strip on which to hold the British Final.

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14 minutes ago, False dawn said:

You know, you raise an interesting thought. In my mind anyway. I love the BV track and enjoy my 3 or 4 visits a year there immensely. But who decided it was OUR "National" stadium. I guess I always assumed that it was a title dreamt up by the BV management when it was built, making it no more "National" than any other stadium.

But they can call it what they like. I don't think we have a better venue/racing strip on which to hold the British Final.

Something to do with the funding of it I think

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1 hour ago, FishersGate said:

I get it's held at Belle Vue of course as it's clearly one of the better venues in the country. It does stop me from going though as it's miles away from me. If they did it as rounds rather than a one off meeting your more likely to get a true British champion. Could be done at Glasgow, Belle Vue,  Leicester and Poole. All venues that can hold a decent amount of fans and are all unique in there own way. It also gives fans all across the country to go and watch the final and increase profit and revenue. Imagine being a Poole or Plymouth fan travelling all the way up to Manchester. 

Just my thoughts though, I highly doubt they will change the venue. Seems like Belle Vue and the BSPA are best buddies

It’s called the ‘ NATIONAL SPEEDWAY STADIUM’ for a reason.

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