szkocjasid Posted January 21 Author Report Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, KK62 said: and if a sensible pay structure was used for a ‘development’ league then a few hundred would be just fine, but don’t expect the likes of Clegg, Morley etc to want to ride for expenses only style wages. Well they could have a strict "development" pay structure & still allow Clegg & Morley to race. If they're happy to be a rider / coach for expenses only great, if not - that's fine too, but at least it's their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK62 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, mc131 said: There is a sensible pay structure this year. You might think there is, but do you really believe it’s being adhered too by all the clubs ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 13 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Well they could have a strict "development" pay structure & still allow Clegg & Morley to race. If they're happy to be a rider / coach for expenses only great, if not - that's fine too, but at least it's their choice. The other thing that hurts pay structure is race days. Weekend racing would open things up to a whole host of hobbyists who would be more willing to participate for expenses. However throw in midweek racing and time off work it takes its toll. The costs of putting a bike on track just with basics are high (tyres, oil, fuel) then other short term consumables (clutch plates, chains). Im not saying wage demands are always justified but NDL clubs are expecting GP equipment for reduced wages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 9:53 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Certainly appears so, medals for everyone who turns up.....spectators that is as whats on show will be of little reward. Few years ago the NL was a viable competitor to the CL, now that has been diluted the NDL has to follow suit, to the point that its almost an unviable product. Can't imagine any club will get gates of more than a couple of hundred this season. When you look at how much fun the NL was Cradley Buxton Stoke Mildenhall Kent and the yearly overseas trip to Smallbrooke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 6:57 PM, KK62 said: You might think there is, but do you really believe it’s being adhered too by all the clubs ? Only if you’d been living in a desert island for the last 10 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 23 Author Report Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 3:08 PM, mc131 said: There is a sensible pay structure this year. On 1/21/2024 at 6:57 PM, KK62 said: You might think there is, but do you really believe it’s being adhered too by all the clubs ? I would assume so, most clubs have built / look likely to build teams well below the points limit, you don't do that if winning is your main objective. So why would they pay over the agreed pay structures if just wanting to develop riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I would assume so, most clubs have built / look likely to build teams well below the points limit, you don't do that if winning is your main objective. So why would they pay over the agreed pay structures if just wanting to develop riders? There isn’t a written rule regarding pay structure but it’s easy to work out which clubs are paying the larger wages, just look at the predicted finishing order, Edinburgh and Redcar at the bottom and it’s no secret they aren’t paying over the top rates, very sensibly. Clubs have different outlooks on ‘development’ and winning at all costs. Besides , the SCB might just award you a title anyway like last seasons fiasco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: There isn’t a written rule regarding pay structure but it’s easy to work out which clubs are paying the larger wages, just look at the predicted finishing order, Edinburgh and Redcar at the bottom and it’s no secret they aren’t paying over the top rates, very sensibly. Clubs have different outlooks on ‘development’ and winning at all costs. Besides , the SCB might just award you a title anyway like last seasons fiasco. Scunny definitely not over paying based on what was offered and accepted by us. 10 more meetings is the key for us not money or a league title that really dont mean a great deal 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 7 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: There isn’t a written rule regarding pay structure but it’s easy to work out which clubs are paying the larger wages, just look at the predicted finishing order, Edinburgh and Redcar at the bottom and it’s no secret they aren’t paying over the top rates, very sensibly. Clubs have different outlooks on ‘development’ and winning at all costs. Besides , the SCB might just award you a title anyway like last seasons fiasco. Redcar will be paying alot of travelling expenses to trigger it's a fair old jaunt from Plymouth, obviously if the NDL match is ran as a double header this will negate the cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, lewy said: Redcar will be paying alot of travelling expenses to trigger it's a fair old jaunt from Plymouth, obviously if the NDL match is ran as a double header this will negate the cost No double headers planned and the lad has been very sensible in his deal as he realises the benefit of riding for both Redcar sides. Bearing in mind how many local lads are in the NDL team the club have saved a fair bit anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: No double headers planned and the lad has been very sensible in his deal as he realises the benefit of riding for both Redcar sides. Bearing in mind how many local lads are in the NDL team the club have saved a fair bit anyway. So are you saying that you know what deal he has agreed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2024 at 5:33 PM, lewy said: So are you saying that you know what deal he has agreed? I’m not privy to his or anyone else’s championship deals but the NDL pay rates at the club are not a big secret as most of the lads can’t keep a secret and talk openly about their deals in public, usually in the form of moans about who is getting more than them at other clubs! The club are not paying ‘top dollar’ but it’s my opinion they have been very sensible in the rates offered to ‘development’ riders and obviously the seven/eight concerned are happy with them too. Tigger and his family come across as very sensible and have been regulars at Redcar with the Gary Havelock connection in 2023 . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK62 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 17 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: I’m not privy to his or anyone else’s championship deals but the NDL pay rates at the club are not a big secret as most of the lads can’t keep a secret and talk openly about their deals in public, usually in the form of moans about who is getting more than them at other clubs! The club are not paying ‘top dollar’ but it’s my opinion they have been very sensible in the rates offered to ‘development’ riders and obviously the seven/eight concerned are happy with them too. Tigger and his family come across as very sensible and have been regulars at Redcar with the Gary Havelock connection in 2023 . Your starting to sound like you know what your talking about…..AT LAST ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Max Perry signs: https://twitter.com/EdinMonarchs/status/1751175715100176716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Good looking team now And I think Dayle Wood will have a good season which will really wind up some folk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 Looks a really good team (in a weaker league) one of the favourites imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 On 1/14/2024 at 4:25 PM, PotteringAround said: However, in the press release of Wood's signing it says ""It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level". That suggests a weak final signing. If they had Coles, Perry and McGurk there'd be no need for Wood to be the third heat-leader... On 1/14/2024 at 6:57 PM, szkocjasid said: Bit strange to say they need Dayle to perform as a heat leader to be successful. They are bound to have 3 riders with higher averages. Does that mean they expect one of them to fail or they are looking for 4 heat leaders in the team? Now they've signed Perry, the comment about Wood of "It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level" seems more odd. Perry, Coles & McGurk must be the strongest heat leader trio in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlicktrackSandy Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 41 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Now they've signed Perry, the comment about Wood of "It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level" seems more odd. Perry, Coles & McGurk must be the strongest heat leader trio in the league. Would be great if Dayle manages to do that. Four heat leaders would be pretty cool in this league. Could be an interesting and entertaining season ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 So who is getting kicked out to accommodate Perry? They've named these 7 so far. Presumably they'll dump Wood or Watson? Connor Coles 7.79 Max Perry 7.75 Sam McGurk 6.08 Dayle Wood 4.50 Mason Watson 3.93 Mark Parker 3.00 Kyran Lyden 3.00 36.05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITK Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 56 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Now they've signed Perry, the comment about Wood of "It's a big year for Dayle and if the team is going to be successful we will need him to perform at a heat leader level" seems more odd. Perry, Coles & McGurk must be the strongest heat leader trio in the league. You're looking at it far too simplistically. A successful team in any league will have to average over 42 points, let's say 43. That's a near 7 point increase across the team in this season's NDL. Wood would appear to be a prime candidate in the Edinburgh side for a substantial increase on his starting average of 4.50. Given the realistic scope for improvement elsewhere you'd think Wood will need to add two points or so for Edinburgh to improve by seven as a team, which would have him averaging 6.50. That's pushing on heat leader level. Makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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