szkocjasid Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 First news I've heard for the Cubs team in 2024 is no Max Perry. Thank You to Leicester Speedway Supporters’ club for my award and a fantastic evening. Sadly I will not be representing Leicester next season as my average has placed me out of a team spot, as I only found out last night, I am now without a NDL place for 2024 https://twitter.com/MaxPerryRacing5/status/1731373615092814042?t=bSexxJdbaF88icGq7_0AjA&s=19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Call me cynical, but is this what the BSPL had in mind, when they made the points limit for 2024, to assist with youth development? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Another "big" signing thrown onto the scrap heap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenTheVillen Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: First news I've heard for the Cubs team in 2024 is no Max Perry. Thank You to Leicester Speedway Supporters’ club for my award and a fantastic evening. Sadly I will not be representing Leicester next season as my average has placed me out of a team spot, as I only found out last night, I am now without a NDL place for 2024 https://twitter.com/MaxPerryRacing5/status/1731373615092814042?t=bSexxJdbaF88icGq7_0AjA&s=19 Would have thought he'd have confirmed he had a spot before now instead of presuming he had one, Dad's meant to be a nightmare and was shouting in pits at last meeting about how they had a spot in CL with Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Surprised at this one really. If I were building the Leicester NDL team, Max Perry would have been the first name on the team sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: Surprised at this one really. If I were building the Leicester NDL team, Max Perry would have been the first name on the team sheet. It will be interesting to see who leads to Cubs team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Poor form that Joe gets a team place but Perry misses out, one rider who has outgrown the league vs one who could use a few confidence boosting meetings. Of the 2023 Cubs side the easiest to argue returns for are the two Max's (with Boughen already ruling himself out) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Poor form that Joe gets a team place but Perry misses out, Could fit both in if they wanted. Bit top heavy, but pretty much every team will have at least two 3 pointers J Thompson 9.08 M Perry 7.75 M James 5.70 V Foord 3.81 J Embleton 3.47 K Ward 3.00 W Cairns 3.00 (other 3 until he turns 15) = 35.81 Edited December 6, 2023 by PotteringAround 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 If I was a Leicester fan, I’d be hugely disappointed that Perry won’t be back. But here’s to hoping that someone else picks him up, and the other teams haven’t already effectively decided their line-ups, given a youngster as talented as Perry deserves to continue progressing in the NL without the pressure of the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Call me cynical, but is this what the BSPL had in mind, when they made the points limit for 2024, to assist with youth development? Seems strange way of development of young riders.Maybe grading would work better with the youngsters are they shouldn’t be wanting to hang about in NDL.Just my opinion. Edited December 6, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Islander15 said: If I was a Leicester fan, I’d be hugely disappointed that Perry won’t be back. But here’s to hoping that someone else picks him up, and the other teams haven’t already effectively decided their line-ups, given a youngster as talented as Perry deserves to continue progressing in the NL without the pressure of the Championship. How about Max Perry-7.75 Tom Spencer-5.78 Max James-5.70 George Congreve-5.60 Mickey Simpson-4.23 Vinny Foord-3.51 Connor King-3.39 Total-35.96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: How about Max Perry-7.75 Tom Spencer-5.78 Max James-5.70 George Congreve-5.60 Mickey Simpson-4.23 Vinny Foord-3.81 Connor King-3.39 Total-36.26 Just over the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: How about Max Perry-7.75 Tom Spencer-5.78 Max James-5.70 George Congreve-5.60 Mickey Simpson-4.23 Vinny Foord-3.51 Connor King-3.39 Total-35.96 Spencer and King are a bit stagnant in thier progression, Foord is a pretty slow burner too. Congreve still shouldn't have a NDL place at the expense of a brit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Seems strange way of development of young riders.Maybe grading would work better with the youngsters are they shouldn’t be wanting to hang about in NDL.Just my opinion. The problem with using averages is it's easier for a rider with a 5 point ave to get a team place, even if he's been riding for 15 years & will never develop past that level, than for Perry in her s second season to get a team spot as he's improved "too much" I've often thought what if your average was divided by the amount of NL seasons you've raced? Something like after one season get 25% off your average, 2 seasons 20% off etc, after 6 years, no more reductions? Just a way for a rider like Perry only 16 not to miss out on a NL place because he developed too much too soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Poor form that Joe gets a team place but Perry misses out, one rider who has outgrown the league vs one who could use a few confidence boosting meetings. Of the 2023 Cubs side the easiest to argue returns for are the two Max's (with Boughen already ruling himself out) If Joe gets a team spot but Max doesn't I'd be disappointed with Leicester (although they are just trying to win) but also with the BSPL, should be a rule that you can't ride in all 3 leagues. After all of you're good enough for the Prem, must be too good for the NL right? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: The problem with using averages is it's easier for a rider with a 5 point ave to get a team place, even if he's been riding for 15 years & will never develop past that level, than for Perry in her s second season to get a team spot as he's improved "too much" I've often thought what if your average was divided by the amount of NL seasons you've raced? Something like after one season get 25% off your average, 2 seasons 20% off etc, after 6 years, no more reductions? Just a way for a rider like Perry only 16 not to miss out on a NL place because he developed too much too soon? Maybe teams should be building to a combined age limit instead of averages? Or some kind of weighting introduced to the average to take into account experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: although they are just trying to win Trying to win what though? You may have inadvertently stumbled on the solution here, it is a development league after all, why is it even a league? Just have individual matches, maybe in a series like in cricket. Perhaps the inability to satisfactorily complete the competitions last season was actually an example of how things should be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, iainb said: Maybe teams should be building to a combined age limit instead of averages? Or some kind of weighting introduced to the average to take into account experience? The problem with going solely by age, is age discrimination is illegal. When the "rising star" system was first introduced riders had to be under 26, unless they had ridden less than 3 seasons (senior racing), which is why Luke Crang was on the RS list for example. In any "normal" job a 50 year old can still apply for a apprenticeship, sounding want to stop late starters getting team places because of their age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Just now, szkocjasid said: The problem with going solely by age, is age discrimination is illegal. When the "rising star" system was first introduced riders had to be under 26, unless they had ridden less than 3 seasons (senior racing), which is why Luke Crang was on the RS list for example. In any "normal" job a 50 year old can still apply for a apprenticeship, sounding want to stop late starters getting team places because of their age. But these aren't employees they're contractors, and with a combined limit there's no age discrimination. Maybe though instead of age you could add some weighting in taking into consideration laps/ matches ridden in various different leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 My understanding is that Leicester had no option to have Joe T and Max Perry in the team even if they have two 3pt reserves and another in the main body of the team . I believe there is a rule being brought out about riding in Championship and NDL with clubs being limited to just one rider that can do both leagues this is to prevent fixture clashes and trying to find guests. .So with Max already signed for Poole and Joe at a track the club had to make a decision and went with Joe as the solid number 1 hopefully Max will be back at Leicester at some point 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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