boz Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 6 of the team to be announced tonight - who do we think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Team to be called Middlesbrough Tigers. Number 8 is Katie Gordon. Ben Rathbone also named, so too Jamie Halder and Elliot Kelly and Archie Freeman. Danny Phillips announced and as captain. Ben Trigger last to be announced. Trigger also will ride for the Bears in the Championship. Team Manager Stuart Swales. Edited December 9, 2023 by StevePark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, StevePark said: Team to be called Middlesbrough Tigers. Number 8 is Katie Gordon. Ben Rathbone also named, so too Jamie Halder and Elliot Kelly and Archie Freeman. Danny Phillips announced and as captain. Ben Tigger last to be announced. Trigger also will ride for the Bears in the Championship. Team Manager Stuart Swales. Good of Ben Trigger to change his name to feel more at home in the Middlesbrough Tigers line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: Good of Ben Trigger to change his name to feel more at home in the Middlesbrough Tigers line up. That's what happens when you try and type fast to get the info up on the BSF!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, StevePark said: That's what happens when you try and type fast to get the info up on the BSF!!! Trigger happy they call it! You did a good job to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: Trigger happy they call it! You did a good job to be fair Thanks. (tried the thank you through like thing but it isn't working for me!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Looks a very weak team, but that's always the case when the first team is (almost) declared with a lower points limit. Once other sides are completed, they may not look so bad. Edited December 9, 2023 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Looks a very weak team, but that's always the case when the first team is (almost) declared with a lower points limit. Once other sides are completed, they may not look so bad. It's a development league strength of teams should not matter if riders gain experience and progress the result should not matter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: It's a development league strength of teams should not matter if riders gain experience and progress the result should not matter If I was being really pedantic, I'd reply with - why even have a league? Why does the top team win, why not give 3 points to all riders who complete a race? I'm sure everyone would say "that's insane" - so clearly the result does matter - after all when riders go to the tapes the aim is to win the heat - you don't see top riders miss the gate on purpose to practice their overtaking do you? Also if the strength of teams doesn't matter why even have a points limit? I would change a couple of things to make it more of a "development" league - like the Prem, weakest rider has to go at 7 (can't be replaced in heat 8) look at Mildenhall last year, William Richardson getting the harder rides, while his stronger reserve partner meets a reserve in every race. There's no way that was don't for his development - weakest riders at 7 meeting each other more & stronger riders at 6 racing opposition second strings must be better for everyone's development - so clearly Mildenhall did this to win. If the number 6 couldn't replace the number 7 baring injuries (call him a supplementary reserve) all riders would likely get 4 rides a match - it just goes a bit further than simply stopping tac subs, which they do to stop riders missing rides (unless you have a strong reserve). Edited December 10, 2023 by szkocjasid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 21 hours ago, StevePark said: Team to be called Middlesbrough Tigers. Number 8 is Katie Gordon. Ben Rathbone also named, so too Jamie Halder and Elliot Kelly and Archie Freeman. Danny Phillips announced and as captain. Ben Trigger last to be announced. Trigger also will ride for the Bears in the Championship. Team Manager Stuart Swales. Interesting, no places for local boys Lyden , Davison or Goldsbrough so they must be already signed up elsewhere ? Doesnt look a very strong side but then it is supposed to be about development.Phillips is the most experienced one and rides Redcar well but the rest are mid to low averages and a couple of them have yet to get above a four average after a few seasons ( Freeman, Kelly , Rathbone, even Halder ) so they need to impress this season. Sounds like the seventh rider pulled out at the last minute and is heading elsewhere , a mirror image of the seniors ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Interesting, no places for local boys Lyden , Davison or Goldsbrough so they must be already signed up elsewhere ? Doesnt look a very strong side but then it is supposed to be about development.Phillips is the most experienced one and rides Redcar well but the rest are mid to low averages and a couple of them have yet to get above a four average after a few seasons ( Freeman, Kelly , Rathbone, even Halder ) so they need to impress this season. Sounds like the seventh rider pulled out at the last minute and is heading elsewhere , a mirror image of the seniors ! Slightly harsh on Archie, if I may say so. as he's only had two seasons (2021 & 2022) as he missed all last season through injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, StevePark said: Slightly harsh on Archie, if I may say so. as he's only had two seasons (2021 & 2022) as he missed all last season through injury. And his average is 5.29 which isn't "yet to get above a 4 average" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: And his average is 5.29 which isn't "yet to get above a 4 average" Still not reached any great heights is my point so does need to push on this coming season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Still not reached any great heights is my point so does need to push on this coming season. But you thought he'd never achieved a 4 average, when the reality is that in his one and only full season in the NDL he went from 3.00 to 5.29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: But you thought he'd never achieved a 4 average, when the reality is that in his one and only full season in the NDL he went from 3.00 to 5.29 So one season at Edinburgh and one at Belle Vue makes one season ? whatever…. The lad still has a long way to go to be considered a decent heat leader standard rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Fortythirtyeight said: So one season at Edinburgh and one at Belle Vue makes one season ? whatever…. The lad still has a long way to go to be considered a decent heat leader standard rider. 3 NDL meetings at Edinburgh at the end of the 2021 season, is 3 NDL meetings at Edinburgh at the end of a season. Not enough to gain an average. A full season at Belle Vue is a full season at Belle Vue. As I said, the only full season he's had. A season where he went from 3.00 to 5.29 which is pretty decent. He crashed out in his first meeting of 2023, and made 1 guest appearance in the last match of the year.... So still only completed 1 full NDL season. It's not difficult to understand. I didn't say he'd become heat leader standard. In his only full season he increased his average by 2.29 which is very decent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenTheVillen Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) He'll need to hit the ground running this season in a weaker League or the young ones will swallow him up quickly. Never quite hit the heights he was tipped too after being chucked in at Newcastle at Number 7 in CL. Seems more interested in Tattoos and go faster stripes/exhausts for his car than investing in machinery. Time will tell if he's hungry enough to work for it or continue to expect others to make it happen for him. Edited December 11, 2023 by MillenTheVillen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 Even in a diluted league it looks a poor side, 4ish points for the final rider hardly bolsters confidence either. Whilst it is about development it is also about attracting some level of spectatorship, if the product is poor numbers will fall further and then will be declared not financially viable ending the NDL once and for all. As for development every rider has had multiple NDL seasons with only Trigger showing any likelihood of progressing in higher leagues and no new blood isn't exactly carrying the mantra that was promised by the mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfreeman Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 4 hours ago, MillenTheVillen said: He'll need to hit the ground running this season in a weaker League or the young ones will swallow him up quickly. Never quite hit the heights he was tipped too after being chucked in at Newcastle at Number 7 in CL. Seems more interested in Tattoos and go faster stripes/exhausts for his car than investing in machinery. Time will tell if he's hungry enough to work for it or continue to expect others to make it happen for him. Pmsl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johncar Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 17 hours ago, MillenTheVillen said: He'll need to hit the ground running this season in a weaker League or the young ones will swallow him up quickly. Never quite hit the heights he was tipped too after being chucked in at Newcastle at Number 7 in CL. Seems more interested in Tattoos and go faster stripes/exhausts for his car than investing in machinery. Time will tell if he's hungry enough to work for it or continue to expect others to make it happen for him. How do you profess to know this is factual ? are you someone who knows him on a personal level ? Just wondering as your quite specific with what you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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