Deano Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 2:06 PM, phillipsr said: Comments like this are why Speedway is in a mess..... Expand Exactly, loyal fans do turn up but there just isn’t enough of them. A rubbish team won’t be supported by people out for an enjoyable evening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 1:33 PM, eric i said: I hoped for speedways and Birmingham's sake that the Brummies could have a succesful year but 2.59 under the points limit........ not good. Expand Team limit is far to much under ...could have gone higher with the other riders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 11:56 AM, Skidder1 said: Despite the general negativity on here, thank goodness for the loads of positive comments on particularly Facebook! Haven't checked the other social platforms. It looks a decent solid team and on a 'Track by Terry' they should do well. Expand Pawlicki should do ok...milik isnt a number 5.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 This so called shortlist must have been non existent if you're signing Milik on a 7.50 when his actual average is 5.67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 22, 2024 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 1:56 PM, GiveusaB said: Assuming all have had the same number of meetings/heats ? Expand How is that relevant to averages? I very much doubt you'll ever get two riders having done the same number of rides in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 2:49 PM, TTT said: This so called shortlist must have been non existent if you're signing Milik on a 7.50 when his actual average is 5.67. Expand Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:17 PM, Fromafar said: Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. Expand Because they make it up as they go along? Wonder what Maciejs average is still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 2:49 PM, TTT said: This so called shortlist must have been non existent if you're signing Milik on a 7.50 when his actual average is 5.67. Expand His ancient average is irrelevant - a completely different rider now in terms of experience. A not bad signing compared with some of the names that had been bandied about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:17 PM, Fromafar said: Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. Expand Wiktor Lampart should be a 5.00 and not a 6.00 as well, Just like Tarasenko and Wojdylo were last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:20 PM, Roger Jacobs said: His ancient average is irrelevant - a completely different rider now in terms of experience. A not bad signing compared with some of the names that had been bandied about. Expand Yeah ...But not good enough when u look at other teams .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:17 PM, Fromafar said: Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. Expand SCB Regs: "010.2.3 Amended MA’s With the approval of the BSP LTD GC or Directors for: - a) riders who have been absent from British Speedway racing for more than 3 seasons (The MA may be increased or decreased)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:34 PM, Roger Jacobs said: SCB Regs: "010.2.3 Amended MA’s With the approval of the BSP LTD GC or Directors for: - a) riders who have been absent from British Speedway racing for more than 3 seasons (The MA may be increased or decreased)" Expand Who decides what the average will be in these cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:36 PM, Fromafar said: Who decides what the average will be in these cases. Expand "Assessed rider gradings are calculated as follows: - Riders new to Premiership League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in a professional league in the previous or current season will be assessed on a Grading List. Based upon results obtained in all other professional Speedway leagues and given an Assessed MA accordingly" And ... before you ask ... there doesn't appear to be a published list of gradings. PS: I'm assuming they're classed as new riders because they don't have "current" CMAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:38 PM, Roger Jacobs said: "Assessed rider gradings are calculated as follows: - Riders new to Premiership League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in a professional league in the previous or current season will be assessed on a Grading List. Based upon results obtained in all other professional Speedway leagues and given an Assessed MA accordingly" And ... before you ask ... there doesn't appear to be a published list of gradings. PS: I'm assuming they're classed as new riders because they don't have "current" CMAs. Expand I was asking what Personal decide.BSPA or Certain Individuals given the task agreed by the Promotions.We all know hard and fast rules are on a fag packet somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 (edited) On 1/22/2024 at 1:33 PM, eric i said: I hoped for speedways and Birmingham's sake that the Brummies could have a succesful year but 2.59 under the points limit........ not good. Expand I made it 1.6 with the 2 latest additions increased averages But would of been over 4 if they hadn't " re assessed" their averages, which would of looked silly. Mean while i think Magics went down. Edited January 22, 2024 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 3:44 PM, Fromafar said: I was asking what Personal decide.BSPA or Certain Individuals given the task agreed by the Promotions.We all know hard and fast rules are on a fag packet somewhere. Expand You probably know who decides as well as I do, or even next door neighbour's pet dog does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 12:57 PM, Najjer said: ….and this shows the depths we have stooped to, when a team signs some riders they are expecting to be missing that they are already checking to see if Chris Harris’ average fits and if he can guest. I’m a big fan of shared roles in teams. Teams should have been able to have one shared position in a team, if they wished. That would have likely opened the flood gates abit more for the likes of Laguta and not make Milik etc seem a poor signing. I often think that Sweden is a much better gauge for how they are likely to perform in the UK. Piotr could be a cracking signing although he’s liable to a crash or two. Milik had big promise about 10 years ago but has failed to live up to that and I’ll be amazed if he averages above 7. Expand They should have signed 1 and 5 first and built the team round those 2.They would have had more choice then..As it stands this team isnt good enough.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 4:17 PM, Pauldoveyspeedway said: They should have signed 1 and 5 first and built the team round those 2.They would have had more choice then..As it stands this team isnt good enough.. Expand I agree with that. FWIW Milik isn’t the disastrous signing of this side - that is Lampart. Milik has now been labelled as a heat leader because of everyone that came before him. If they are forking out for flights etc already for Lampart then they would have been better off using that for someone a damn sight lot better as they had the points spare to do so. Zengota, Smektala, Woryna, Lyager, Huckenbeck etc are all examples of someone who would have been far better than Lampart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 Guaranteed to be winners of the Wooden Spoon with the present 7 riders, the BSPL have even inflated the averages of 2 riders Milik and Lampart to make Birmingham look stronger than what they actually are, this team is simply not good enough and anyone that thinks it is needs to think again. It's admirable that the few Brummie supporters that come on here say that they at least have a team to watch, may I say Speedway is a Sport and as such it's competitive every rider want's to win, most supporters want to watch a winning Team, This team will not bring new fans through the gates, not many Wolves or Cradley fans will come over to watch a Team struggle to win a home meeting, and dare I say this team will also impact on other Teams when Birmingham are the visitors. I fear for Birmingham Speedway because this Team needs leaders, Heat leaders and I can only see one of them, if they can get through the season that will be an achievement in itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 On 1/22/2024 at 4:54 PM, Najjer said: I agree with that. FWIW Milik isn’t the disastrous signing of this side - that is Lampart. Milik has now been labelled as a heat leader because of everyone that came before him. If they are forking out for flights etc already for Lampart then they would have been better off using that for someone a damn sight lot better as they had the points spare to do so. Zengota, Smektala, Woryna, Lyager, Huckenbeck etc are all examples of someone who would have been far better than Lampart. Expand Yeah .True .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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