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6 hours ago, stevehone said:

bit unfair with that too .. it's not always the money, it could be in part to the club only moving up this year and it's not a club that has the pull of Belle Vue, Sheffield etc, and Ipswich have been very lucky with their backing and having Chris Louis as the figurehead. If Birmingham can have an ok season with good racing it might give them a chance to encourage riders to go there

It was the same at Championship level with the Ellis fiasco signing on P & P day on a short term contract.

I wish Birmingham all the best for 2024 as I don't like to see any clubs long term future being in doubt and I hope Tolley manages to sign a rider like Laguta but all I'm saying is he needs to reign it in a bit because he's setting himself up for backlash if he doesn't manage to sign a solid No.1/No.5 combo.

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10 hours ago, bloom89 said:

In fairness Tolley may have pumped hundreds and thousands into Birmingham speedway but all he has achieved so far is putting two seasons of poor sides out in the championship while admitting crowds were poor during those two seasons. So yes applaud him by all means but to move up to a higher league higher rider wages and better riders with no guarantee of increased crowds is a major gamble. There is only so much money one person can continue to lose until they get sick and that’s a fact unless you’re a billionaire who has money to throw away which I don’t think Tolley is. You can understand fans being frustrated, Oxford have brought magic back, Sheffield have woffy and the holders, Ipswich have doyle and Emil but realistically who are brum going to get? I hope it works out but I’m fearful for them if I’m honest.

Oxford have had 2000 fans paying to watch..

Brum do well to get 700....

The TV money will subsidise any "big names" I would think..

Personally, cannot see it all adding up given the complete and utter lack of interest in Speedway from the vast majority of people in Birmingham, (regardless of "success" or not over the years), but fair play to NT for giving it a go...

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12 hours ago, mikebv said:

Oxford have had 2000 fans paying to watch..

Brum do well to get 700....

The TV money will subsidise any "big names" I would think..

Personally, cannot see it all adding up given the complete and utter lack of interest in Speedway from the vast majority of people in Birmingham, (regardless of "success" or not over the years), but fair play to NT for giving it a go...

It seems people are just not interested in Speedway in that area ...N.T is giving it a go .fair play to him...

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10 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said:

It seems people are just not interested in Speedway in that area ...N.T is giving it a go .fair play to him...

For me. They have to go full on in trying to attract those from the previous "hot beds" of Speedway, Cradley, Wolverhampton and Coventry..

They probably only need 600 or so in total from these "speedway starved" areas and they should be somewhere near its affordable level..

But, as we know, speedway clubs getting an extra 600 of their OWN fans to attend "regularly" is a huge challenge, so Brum will have to use some very aggressive, fit for purpose, marketing...

And probably need it to be done by a proper marketing company rather than the usual speedway in house, "well meaning" amateurs, which, again, will mean another cost...

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Tolley can't win really. The support is crap along other issues involved with the track and stadium. Brum had no choice but to move up due to race nights.  My issue isn't with how much money he's put in, its what he's spent it on. If he claims to have poured in loads and loads money then more fool him, the teams he's put together are shocking. I can't comment on this year's side yet because it isn't finished but the more it drags on the more negative comments will appear. I know someone said it's just good to see birningham running and that there is speedway.  OK that's great for you, but what about the fans that want to see a WINNING team (atleast at home). Surely he could not run speedway this year, save a fortune of cash and re invest it into 2025. That money can improve the side and stadium. I don't know really... like I said he can't win. 

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2 hours ago, mikebv said:

For me. They have to go full on in trying to attract those from the previous "hot beds" of Speedway, Cradley, Wolverhampton and Coventry..

They probably only need 600 or so in total from these "speedway starved" areas and they should be somewhere near its affordable level..

But, as we know, speedway clubs getting an extra 600 of their OWN fans to attend "regularly" is a huge challenge, so Brum will have to use some very aggressive, fit for purpose, marketing...

And probably need it to be done by a proper marketing company rather than the usual speedway in house, "well meaning" amateurs, which, again, will mean another cost...

They do reckon on 1000 per home meeting  to make ends meet...Wolves didnt get big crowds but CVS new how to run it .

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1 hour ago, FishersGate said:

Tolley can't win really. The support is crap along other issues involved with the track and stadium. Brum had no choice but to move up due to race nights.  My issue isn't with how much money he's put in, its what he's spent it on. If he claims to have poured in loads and loads money then more fool him, the teams he's put together are shocking. I can't comment on this year's side yet because it isn't finished but the more it drags on the more negative comments will appear. I know someone said it's just good to see birningham running and that there is speedway.  OK that's great for you, but what about the fans that want to see a WINNING team (atleast at home). Surely he could not run speedway this year, save a fortune of cash and re invest it into 2025. That money can improve the side and stadium. I don't know really... like I said he can't win. 

This is what I said before and I completely agree with. Fair play to Tolley if he has has coughed huge amounts of money - but it actually only shows even more how incompetent he has been in spending it.

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Most fans of closed tracks stop going to speedway, its proven. If even half of the defunct tracks fans went to other tracks then in theory Birmingham would be getting at least 2000 a week watching them already with Perry Bar being inbetween two of the best attended tracks in the Country of years gone by in Cradley and Coventry!

 

In speedway terms Wolves were one of best attended tracks in the Country but I bet that no more than 2-300 of them at the most will go to Birmingham this coming season and that is even for odd visits.

 

Fairplay to Tolley for putting his money where his mouth is but he is clutching at straws with weak teams and the only way he'll reduce his losses would be to have a team challenging for the title. 

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3 hours ago, mikebv said:

For me. They have to go full on in trying to attract those from the previous "hot beds" of Speedway, Cradley, Wolverhampton and Coventry..

They probably only need 600 or so in total from these "speedway starved" areas and they should be somewhere near its affordable level..

But, as we know, speedway clubs getting an extra 600 of their OWN fans to attend "regularly" is a huge challenge, so Brum will have to use some very aggressive, fit for purpose, marketing...

And probably need it to be done by a proper marketing company rather than the usual speedway in house, "well meaning" amateurs, which, again, will mean another cost...

They've had years to attract Cradley and Coventry fans and haven't, they've signed the bottom of the Wolves team not the top so I wish them well with that

I think you're right in that any concerted effort to attract other West Midlands fans would need to be something new that hadn't been tried before 

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10 minutes ago, noaksey said:

They've had years to attract Cradley and Coventry fans and haven't, they've signed the bottom of the Wolves team not the top so I wish them well with that

I think you're right in that any concerted effort to attract other West Midlands fans would need to be something new that hadn't been tried before 

Lets hope N.T can come up with a good 1 and 5 ....

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39 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said:

They do reckon on 1000 per home meeting  to make ends meet...Wolves didnt get big crowds but CVS new how to run it .

Crowds were decent compared to a lot of teams currently running.

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4 hours ago, mikebv said:

For me. They have to go full on in trying to attract those from the previous "hot beds" of Speedway, Cradley, Wolverhampton and Coventry..

They probably only need 600 or so in total from these "speedway starved" areas and they should be somewhere near its affordable level..

But, as we know, speedway clubs getting an extra 600 of their OWN fans to attend "regularly" is a huge challenge, so Brum will have to use some very aggressive, fit for purpose, marketing...

And probably need it to be done by a proper marketing company rather than the usual speedway in house, "well meaning" amateurs, which, again, will mean another cost...

The content that I have seen put out is poor, the free advertising tool that is social media isn’t great they could do so much more and you don’t have to be a marketing specialist to know how to promote on something like Instagram/ Twitter for example to reach a different/new market. I don’t know the Birmingham management set up but surely if the people working for Nigel Tolley aren’t up to pulling in new money you change the people, that’s how the profitable businesses work. 
 

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30 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said:

And 5 .going on Sheffield and Ipswich...

I don't think that Brum can be worrying about Sheffield, Ipswich and BV

They need to have a look at Kings Lynn for example who have a good no 1 but an average no 5. Ditto Oxford 

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13 minutes ago, noaksey said:

I don't think that Brum can be worrying about Sheffield, Ipswich and BV

They need to have a look at Kings Lynn for example who have a good no 1 but an average no 5. Ditto Oxford 

Ave isnt good enough  in heats 13 and 15 unless uve got a decent  lead...Brum have enough  points  left for a good  1 and 5 ...

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