Bagpuss Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Najjer said: I’m not so sure it had anything to do with Wroclaw - that’s backed up by Bewley, Woffinden and now Janowski all signing over here for this season. Laguta might not be a massively reliable number 1 but I would take him scoring a stack load at home over a Matej Zagar type rider any day of the week. Sources are never 100% correct of course but I'd heard that it was very much to do with Wroclaw, especially once other squad members picked up injuries. Apart from Wolves away I don't know why he would miss any meetings out of choice considering the guarantee he was reportedly on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 What I don’t understand with Mr Tolly does he realise the Birmingham have already finished top of the highest league, with a home and away meetings in the Semi Final both shown on sky, then the 2 legged final against Poole again shown on Sky, this was at the time when Sky were paying rubbish loads of money into Speedway, and yet they still lost money according to Mr Mole, So why will things change now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 5 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: So the problem wasnt Artem being able to commit to all the meetings and more that Alex didnt himself....... All i can say is i was told AL had signed for all the meetings under Alex, but as we know shortly afterwards Alex departed. I suspect Buster re negotiated the deal, as he said himself that money was a problem after he took over from Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 15 hours ago, the hobbit said: Have to disagree. I’m sure flint, Worrall, Brennan and cook would all have had numerous options. no problem with any of those signings, solid foundations. the success of failure of the team depends 100% on the last two signings. Im sure if he signed 2 big guns now it would boost season ticket sales..Leaving it late can work both ways ...A rider might demand more if they know they are desperate for riders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 20 hours ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Im sure if he signed 2 big guns now it would boost season ticket sales..Leaving it late can work both ways ...A rider might demand more if they know they are desperate for riders... Some people on here will remember the "noughties" when Newport were habitually one of the last teams to declare. I suspect that the mastermind behind that is influencing recruitment and PR tactics now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 15 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Some people on here will remember the "noughties" when Newport were habitually one of the last teams to declare. I suspect that the mastermind behind that is influencing recruitment and PR tactics now too. Who would that be then? As in the three years LR was at Newport the teams were announced very quickly. Tim Stone in his latter years at Newport would take ages to declare his side - I remember one year the season had already started and we hadn't announced our number 1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 On 12/31/2023 at 5:14 PM, noaksey said: They haven't managed to attract Coventry and Cradley fans in any significant numbers over an extended period I don't see why this season will be any different They might get some Wolves fans but if the team is losing every/most weeks that won't last long On 1/1/2024 at 10:17 AM, bellevueace said: Yes it would seem those that followed Coventry and Cradley have drifted away from the sport, would probably only return if their own clubs came back. I'm still here! But I'd rather travel *4 the distance to see racing at the best racetrack in the country (NSS) than go to Perry Barr weekly (same could have been said for Monmore in the last few years). If Brummies get the track right and the team is competitive I'm sure more ex-Heathens & ex-Bee's fans would attend. But a dusty track and a team getting hammered every week isn't much fun, especially when it's not the team you grew up supporting. There were enough people wearing Bees merchandise when I visited Leicester a couple of times last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 On 1/1/2024 at 1:58 PM, Bald Bloke said: All i can say is i was told AL had signed for all the meetings under Alex, but as we know shortly afterwards Alex departed. I suspect Buster re negotiated the deal, as he said himself that money was a problem after he took over from Alex. This is the way I seen it too. Laguta was given a free pass for several away matches like away to Wolves, to save the air fares and Buster’s wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 17 hours ago, Col said: I'm still here! But I'd rather travel *4 the distance to see racing at the best racetrack in the country (NSS) than go to Perry Barr weekly (same could have been said for Monmore in the last few years). If Brummies get the track right and the team is competitive I'm sure more ex-Heathens & ex-Bee's fans would attend. But a dusty track and a team getting hammered every week isn't much fun, especially when it's not the team you grew up supporting. There were enough people wearing Bees merchandise when I visited Leicester a couple of times last year. Spot on... Uniquely, Speedway, quite possibly due to the way is ran (in the UK), means it is more "sports entertainment" rather than a bona fide "sports championship", which means plenty who attend are generic Speedway fans first and foremost, rather than "tribal followers" of a team... The smell, the noise, the lights, the speed and the atmosphere got most of us hooked, well before forming any team allegiance, (the word "team" in UK Speedway being as tenuous as it could be).. The issue in attracting ex fans of the tracks closed down "locally" will be more down to the target marketing of these fans to get them there, rather than any major reticence on their part I would suggest... Brum hopefully have already trawled any FB Groups and any Supporter Groups of the ex tracks and made contact... Might as sell offer up some free and £10 tickets through the season to these fans, just to see if they can become "regulars" ongoing, or, at least until they get their respective tracks' back.. As, if they ever do return, you can almost guarantee that these fans will all be there that night they reopen, meaning they will have kept a healthy interest in the sport in the interim.. Therefore, try and get them to Brum. And healthy crowds at a track "local" to Wolves, Cov and Cradley, could also help in convincing their respective local authorities that the sport has a part to play in the local community and is vibrant and viable.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 12/31/2023 at 11:51 PM, the hobbit said: Have to disagree. I’m sure flint, Worrall, Brennan and cook would all have had numerous options. no problem with any of those signings, solid foundations. the success of failure of the team depends 100% on the last two signings. Yes, I agree, no problem at all with these signings, I'm just merely pointing out that (I think...) other teams second string riders are 'stronger'... (which makes the last 2 signings 'vital'...) Flint should be able to hold his own at reserve....Brennan/Cook will be exciting to see progress....Worrall is steady .....and cant really say much about Lampart ? Laguta/Lingdren would be perfect!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 48 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Laguta/Lingdren would be perfect!! And expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 28 minutes ago, Col said: And expensive. Pay peanuts and you get....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Col said: And expensive. Yes...buts its the only way to get people through the turnstiles...Speculate to accumulate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Pay peanuts and you get....... Our warehouse staff always get a big bag of peanuts at Christmas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Yes, I agree, no problem at all with these signings, I'm just merely pointing out that (I think...) other teams second string riders are 'stronger'... (which makes the last 2 signings 'vital'...) Flint should be able to hold his own at reserve....Brennan/Cook will be exciting to see progress....Worrall is steady .....and cant really say much about Lampart ? Laguta/Lingdren would be perfect!! L&L would be expensive, but Birmingham is the 2nd city in the UK, surely there must be a couple of Sponsors in the Birmingham area that would sponsor at least one of them ?, There are major employers within the city that should be approached with Sponsorship in mind, if NT is putting in what he says he is then signing L&L and moving heaven and earth to find Sponsors is the way to go, sitting back and dilly dallying over which rider to sign is not helpful when trying to attract Sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 24 minutes ago, heathen52 said: there must be a couple of Sponsors in the Birmingham area ...There are major employers within the city that should be approached with Sponsorship in mind, Sponsorship is a commercial undertaking where the cash investment is expected to produce a revenue benefit. That means that you need the people exposed to the sponsor to buy their products. It's a difficult thing to do with an aged fan base living on their old age pensions and a wider speedway supporter base that is renown for its penny pinching "thriftyness". Are you expecting charitable contributions, or for these companies just to subsidise the fortnightly entertainment of some senior citizens out of the goodness of their hearts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Sponsorship is a commercial undertaking where the cash investment is expected to produce a revenue benefit. That means that you need the people exposed to the sponsor to buy their products. It's a difficult thing to do with an aged fan base living on their old age pensions and a wider speedway supporter base that is renown for its penny pinching "thriftyness". Are you expecting charitable contributions, or for these companies just to subsidise the fortnightly entertainment of some senior citizens out of the goodness of their hearts? Hence so many sponsors are individual fans, or businesses of individual fans, or businesses involved in the sport who benefit directly from their involvement, (eg travel companies, insurance companies, engine tuners/sellers etc).. Getting "someone else" interested will be the challenge that could start to turn round the sports' fortunes... As you say though, the age demographic, and the phyiscsl lack of punters in the stadiums, isn't going to attract too many "modern" businesses unfortunately... SAGA, Tena or Steradent maybe? In about five years, I will defintely be a potential customer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 1/1/2024 at 1:58 PM, Bald Bloke said: All i can say is i was told AL had signed for all the meetings under Alex, but as we know shortly afterwards Alex departed. I suspect Buster re negotiated the deal, as he said himself that money was a problem after he took over from Alex. If you look at the gates Lynn were getting last year it must have been obvious Brady was subsidising Laguta’s deal in sponsorship, once Brady effectively jumped ship Buster was picking up the shortfall, I never saw more than 400-600 at Lynn last whatever meeting I was at or watched online/Eurosport etc, Peterborough were getting well over twice what Lynn were getting which is why Laguta was switched to us and then only did some home meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 I'm sure I heard or read somewhere that Laguta was paid for out of the telly money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I'm sure I heard or read somewhere that Laguta was paid for out of the telly money. I read that somewhere. I believe it may have been in the speedway star when Alex quit. Maybe the 35k is the tv money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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