Brummies 2024...

[Badge]

https://x.com/BrumSpeedway/status/1816798637361389848?t=Rv077IRAJtIyPOxjPtwVjg&s=19

I didn't know you could re-instate a rider back into the team after letting them go.....or did I just dream that

[tellboy]

5 minutes ago, Badge said:

https://x.com/BrumSpeedway/status/1816798637361389848?t=Rv077IRAJtIyPOxjPtwVjg&s=19

I didn't know you could re-instate a rider back into the team after letting them go.....or did I just dream that

Pretty sure it was a rule,but as we know any rule can be over-ruled with"in the best interests"

[IainB]

9 minutes ago, Badge said:

https://x.com/BrumSpeedway/status/1816798637361389848?t=Rv077IRAJtIyPOxjPtwVjg&s=19

I didn't know you could re-instate a rider back into the team after letting them go.....or did I just dream that

I think we've reached the make it up as you go along because we've trussed ourselves up with contradictory rules stage of the season haven't we?

Good signing though, how could you not after last Monday!

Edited July 26 by iainb

[brianbuck]

Rule 11.2 says: "A rider taken out of a team through injury, cannot be re-introduced in that team within 28 days."

 

[SteveLyric2]

So a Championship 2nd string becomes a Premiership 3rd heat leader for August. Go Zach!!

[bringbackHalifax]

Fred, Tom, Piotr and then Zach, so not heat leader

[SteveLyric2]

15 hours ago, bringbackHalifax said:

Fred, Tom, Piotr and then Zach, so not heat leader

Ah yes I see the GSAs have been updated today. So Zach only 0.21 lower than Pawlicki.

[szkocjasid]

If Birmingham are riding next year, I'd get in Alun Rossiter to run the club / team. 

He won't want to manage a team picked by someone else, which is fine, if he can't make a team competitive & hopefully avoid losing lots of money, then Birmingham has no hope.

[FishersGate]

Just listened to no brakes no fear with Tolley giving an interview and it sounds Birmingham will be back next year which is great news! He did also say that 4 riders would be coming back? Just a wild guess 

 Brennan, Lampart, Cook and Flint?

[Wolfie456]

28 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Just listened to no brakes no fear with Tolley giving an interview and it sounds Birmingham will be back next year which is great news! He did also say that 4 riders would be coming back? Just a wild guess 

 Brennan, Lampart, Cook and Flint?

Freddie possibly 

[noaksey]

Interesting article on the BBC website re Dunstall Park 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3d9pnve3kgo

[AceBelle]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

Interesting article on the BBC website re Dunstall Park 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3d9pnve3kgo

why build a track inside or outside it ? problem solved ?

[IainB]

5 hours ago, FishersGate said:

Just listened to no brakes no fear with Tolley giving an interview and it sounds Birmingham will be back next year which is great news! He did also say that 4 riders would be coming back? Just a wild guess 

 Brennan, Lampart, Cook and Flint?

To be fair they're probably the best crappest team I think I've seen, they've had so many close results at home and have been far from disgraced away at times. Tolley has to take full responsibility for the signing of Milik & Pavlwlicki though. Milik was a gamble but Pawlicki was very much a known quantity. 

[Teromaafan]

7 hours ago, FishersGate said:

Just listened to no brakes no fear with Tolley giving an interview and it sounds Birmingham will be back next year which is great news! He did also say that 4 riders would be coming back? Just a wild guess 

 Brennan, Lampart, Cook and Flint?

Hats off to Brum if they are back next year. They seem to have been the whipping boys for a few years now, struggling to assemble competitive teams and having to release under performing riders. Didn’t get to see the Lions there this season, but on my previous visits our supporters seemed to out number home fans and if this is still the case, Brum must be losing serious money? I hope Tolley still has deep pockets as British speedway needs The Brummies.

[SteveLyric2]

29 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

Hats off to Brum if they are back next year. They seem to have been the whipping boys for a few years now, struggling to assemble competitive teams and having to release under performing riders. Didn’t get to see the Lions there this season, but on my previous visits our supporters seemed to out number home fans and if this is still the case, Brum must be losing serious money? I hope Tolley still has deep pockets as British speedway needs The Brummies.

Will Monday still be the only day they can race?

[Falcon1983]

Brum will make the play offs next season 

[kitten2502]

2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

Will Monday still be the only day they can race?

I can’t see that changing.

[HGould]

11 hours ago, noaksey said:

Interesting article on the BBC website re Dunstall Park 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3d9pnve3kgo

The commercial reality is that the moment that new Dog track at Dunstall Park is ready to commence operations and all of the PB dogs and related staff and contracts move there, then PB as a venue is finished.

There is no viable commercial future for PB as a single sport venue , definitely not speedway.

With Aston Villa expanding Villa Park, Birmingham City refurbishing St Andrews but also buying 70 acres of land for a knock down £30m off the bankrupted Council - (about 10% of the actual land value which they have already started to decontaminate at the old Wheels site) with a view to a massive new Sport Complex there by 2030, Warwickshire Cricket expanding Edgbaston, what Sport could Speedway possibly find to co-share PB as a viable 7 day a week financial concern.

The notion that Speedway could move to the Alexandra Sports Stadium (Athletics) is fanciful at best, although the new Wheels BCFC development could include a Sports Village to include an Athletics Track in the complex in the event the new 65,000 seater Stadium  seeks to stage Olympic / European level Events (in which case a major stadium temporary track has tp have a training warm up track next door) - which may mean that in the next decade that the Alexandra Stadium site may become available again once the new Knighthead Development opens.

Whichever way you look at it, tenure of PB is almost certain to end by this time in 2025, there is no viable alternative venue in the City of Birmingham, no credible partner sport to move in to PB to share costs. The brilliant work of the Save brummies campaign that got the sport back to PB well over a decade ago now had already scoured the City for Sites - there were none / there are none!

With Wolves still seeking a new base, Coventry stlll in abeyance; Heathens all but dormant; the grim but bottom line is this, if Speedway is to survive in the West Midlands, is it not time for the combined resources and fan base of Brummies / Heathens / Wolves and possibly Bees to combine their resources and look for a Regional based solution and to put aside the old tribal identities once and for all. Even then any resolution would likely be a patch of land in a Trading Estate type area well away from residential housing, close to existing road / rail / airport noise and environmental pollution and a literally ground up moderate max 2-3,000 capacity very basic home.

Very worrying times!  

 

[SteveLyric2]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

The commercial reality is that the moment that new Dog track at Dunstall Park is ready to commence operations and all of the PB dogs and related staff and contracts move there, then PB as a venue is finished.

There is no viable commercial future for PB as a single sport venue , definitely not speedway.

With Aston Villa expanding Villa Park, Birmingham City refurbishing St Andrews but also buying 70 acres of land for a knock down £30m off the bankrupted Council - (about 10% of the actual land value which they have already started to decontaminate at the old Wheels site) with a view to a massive new Sport Complex there by 2030, Warwickshire Cricket expanding Edgbaston, what Sport could Speedway possibly find to co-share PB as a viable 7 day a week financial concern.

The notion that Speedway could move to the Alexandra Sports Stadium (Athletics) is fanciful at best, although the new Wheels BCFC development could include a Sports Village to include an Athletics Track in the complex in the event the new 65,000 seater Stadium  seeks to stage Olympic / European level Events (in which case a major stadium temporary track has tp have a training warm up track next door) - which may mean that in the next decade that the Alexandra Stadium site may become available again once the new Knighthead Development opens.

Whichever way you look at it, tenure of PB is almost certain to end by this time in 2025, there is no viable alternative venue in the City of Birmingham, no credible partner sport to move in to PB to share costs. The brilliant work of the Save brummies campaign that got the sport back to PB well over a decade ago now had already scoured the City for Sites - there were none / there are none!

With Wolves still seeking a new base, Coventry stlll in abeyance; Heathens all but dormant; the grim but bottom line is this, if Speedway is to survive in the West Midlands, is it not time for the combined resources and fan base of Brummies / Heathens / Wolves and possibly Bees to combine their resources and look for a Regional based solution and to put aside the old tribal identities once and for all. Even then any resolution would likely be a patch of land in a Trading Estate type area well away from residential housing, close to existing road / rail / airport noise and environmental pollution and a literally ground up moderate max 2-3,000 capacity very basic home.

Very worrying times!  

 

Happy pills, anyone??

[noaksey]

2 hours ago, HGould said:

The commercial reality is that the moment that new Dog track at Dunstall Park is ready to commence operations and all of the PB dogs and related staff and contracts move there, then PB as a venue is finished.

There is no viable commercial future for PB as a single sport venue , definitely not speedway.

With Aston Villa expanding Villa Park, Birmingham City refurbishing St Andrews but also buying 70 acres of land for a knock down £30m off the bankrupted Council - (about 10% of the actual land value which they have already started to decontaminate at the old Wheels site) with a view to a massive new Sport Complex there by 2030, Warwickshire Cricket expanding Edgbaston, what Sport could Speedway possibly find to co-share PB as a viable 7 day a week financial concern.

The notion that Speedway could move to the Alexandra Sports Stadium (Athletics) is fanciful at best, although the new Wheels BCFC development could include a Sports Village to include an Athletics Track in the complex in the event the new 65,000 seater Stadium  seeks to stage Olympic / European level Events (in which case a major stadium temporary track has tp have a training warm up track next door) - which may mean that in the next decade that the Alexandra Stadium site may become available again once the new Knighthead Development opens.

Whichever way you look at it, tenure of PB is almost certain to end by this time in 2025, there is no viable alternative venue in the City of Birmingham, no credible partner sport to move in to PB to share costs. The brilliant work of the Save brummies campaign that got the sport back to PB well over a decade ago now had already scoured the City for Sites - there were none / there are none!

With Wolves still seeking a new base, Coventry stlll in abeyance; Heathens all but dormant; the grim but bottom line is this, if Speedway is to survive in the West Midlands, is it not time for the combined resources and fan base of Brummies / Heathens / Wolves and possibly Bees to combine their resources and look for a Regional based solution and to put aside the old tribal identities once and for all. Even then any resolution would likely be a patch of land in a Trading Estate type area well away from residential housing, close to existing road / rail / airport noise and environmental pollution and a literally ground up moderate max 2-3,000 capacity very basic home.

Very worrying times!  

 

Presumably if they are using the existing stand at Dunstall there won't be actually much to build bar the track, kennels etc. If permission is imminent then the question is how long is the build and will they build across the winter to be ready for spring 25, if they don't then Brum might at least get 2025