mikebv Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, szkocjasid said: It actually suits Birmingham for their riders to be on these averages rather than Pawlicki (7.32), Milk (5.67) & Lampart (5.00) as it means if anyone is missing they'll be able to use stronger guests or r/r. Plus Z.Cook at reserve could be a real trump card. However I don't understand how they can increase the averages of Pawlicki & Milik, but decrease Janowski's, while Pedersen, Kasprzak & Woffinden returned on their old averages. Should rules not be consistent for all? Come on now... How long have you been following UK Speedway? You know better than to ask questions like that.. Edited January 22 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. Is it so an 8.25 averaged rider can be used as guest at home? Edit or is it 7.87? Either way, especially for Milik, a good improvement... Edited January 22 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: SCB Regs: "010.2.3 Amended MA’s With the approval of the BSP LTD GC or Directors for: - a) riders who have been absent from British Speedway racing for more than 3 seasons (The MA may be increased or decreased)" That’s the problem right there! 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: Is it so an 8.25 averaged rider can be used as guest at home? Think you could well be right . They were clearly struggling so I wonder if they’ve been given a bit of a helping hand here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: It actually suits Birmingham for their riders to be on these averages rather than Pawlicki (7.32), Milk (5.67) & Lampart (5.00) as it means if anyone is missing they'll be able to use stronger guests or r/r. Plus Z.Cook at reserve could be a real trump card. However I don't understand how they can increase the averages of Pawlicki & Milik, but decrease Janowski's, while Pedersen, Kasprzak & Woffinden returned on their old averages. Should rules not be consistent for all? 5 hours ago, Najjer said: ….and this shows the depths we have stooped to, when a team signs some riders they are expecting to be missing that they are already checking to see if Chris Harris’ average fits and if he can guest. I’m a big fan of shared roles in teams. Teams should have been able to have one shared position in a team, if they wished. That would have likely opened the flood gates abit more for the likes of Laguta and not make Milik etc seem a poor signing. I often think that Sweden is a much better gauge for how they are likely to perform in the UK. Piotr could be a cracking signing although he’s liable to a crash or two. Milik had big promise about 10 years ago but has failed to live up to that and I’ll be amazed if he averages above 7. How can this show "the depths Birmingham have stopped to" they didn't decide the riders averages, that was the BSPL (management committee maybe). I merely pointed out it could suit the Brummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 I don't thinkbany of these riders are poor signings. I just think the team is structured wrong. That top 2 are good riders. Zach cook is good. Worrall isn't bad either. Brennan is a good young rider too. The lampart gamble is OK. It's just a team with say pawlicki, milik, schlien, Worrall, cook, flint + whatever fits would have more ballance. This just feels like a load of riders chucked together. I hope they do well and hope they draw a crowd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: Does anyone know why the last 2 signings are 7.5 when that is not their true average. As mentioned before, it's so better guests are available when they go AWOL for whatever random reason. Laguta / King's Lynn set a precedent for this last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, heathen52 said: Guaranteed to be winners of the Wooden Spoon with the present 7 riders, the BSPL have even inflated the averages of 2 riders Milik and Lampart to make Birmingham look stronger than what they actually are, this team is simply not good enough and anyone that thinks it is needs to think again. It's admirable that the few Brummie supporters that come on here say that they at least have a team to watch, may I say Speedway is a Sport and as such it's competitive every rider want's to win, most supporters want to watch a winning Team, This team will not bring new fans through the gates, not many Wolves or Cradley fans will come over to watch a Team struggle to win a home meeting, and dare I say this team will also impact on other Teams when Birmingham are the visitors. I fear for Birmingham Speedway because this Team needs leaders, Heat leaders and I can only see one of them, if they can get through the season that will be an achievement in itself. Its not just the impact on Birmingham speedway, when this side travels how many fans might decide to stay home rather than watch a very one sided affair? There will always be happy clappers but there are an awful lot of spectators who wish to be entertained. There will also be other promotions who aren't relishing the costs of facing and soundly beating Brum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not just the impact on Birmingham speedway, when this side travels how many fans might decide to stay home rather than watch a very one sided affair? There will always be happy clappers but there are an awful lot of spectators who wish to be entertained. There will also be other promotions who aren't relishing the costs of facing and soundly beating Brum. Brum may get 4 reasonable gates when Woffinden & Sayfutdinov roll in to town but the other clubs offer nothing for the home fans to get up for if they're getting wolloped week in week out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 51 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: As mentioned before, it's so better guests are available when they go AWOL for whatever random reason. Laguta / King's Lynn set a precedent for this last season Kennett at Plymouth the previous season was another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not just the impact on Birmingham speedway, when this side travels how many fans might decide to stay home rather than watch a very one sided affair? There will always be happy clappers but there are an awful lot of spectators who wish to be entertained. There will also be other promotions who aren't relishing the costs of facing and soundly beating Brum. I can only speak for myself of course but seeing some different riders will make me go and see Brum this coming year, Milik and Pawlicki have been good value at Lynn in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Is it so an 8.25 averaged rider can be used as guest at home? Edit or is it 7.87? Either way, especially for Milik, a good improvement... 7.88 (assuming they round up to the nearest hundredth. Of course, only while that is their average ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Fromafar said: Pawlicki is a decent signing.Milik is inconsistent,level of opposition is less than Poland but he blows hot and cold.On track is what matters so let’s see. exactly what i put last week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not just the impact on Birmingham speedway, when this side travels how many fans might decide to stay home rather than watch a very one sided affair? There will always be happy clappers but there are an awful lot of spectators who wish to be entertained. There will also be other promotions who aren't relishing the costs of facing and soundly beating Brum. But these same promotions voted for a higher points limit. If they were so worried one team will be too weak & hurt their crowds, have a lower limit to share the riders out more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: But these same promotions voted for a higher points limit. If they were so worried one team will be too weak & hurt their crowds, have a lower limit to share the riders out more? Rider shortage isn't the issue for Birmingham though... they themselves said they had a "short" list of around 7 riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 37 minutes ago, iainb said: Rider shortage isn't the issue for Birmingham though... they themselves said they had a "short" list of around 7 riders That was for the last two riders it was two from seven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) 32 minutes ago, heathen52 said: That was for the last two riders it was two from seven. They had the pick of the league before them along with everybody else... Well, as soon as they knew they were continuing, still plenty to choose from Edited January 22 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, Col said: How is that relevant to averages? I very much doubt you'll ever get two riders having done the same number of rides in a season. Because obtaining a 'higher' average over a longer period shows more consistency....that's the relevance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, heathen52 said: That was for the last two riders it was two from seven. I think that was 'publicity' BS..... Third Season running that LR has put an inept side together! Strange that the 'Official' Team Manager/s haven't made any comment on 'their' final TOP 2 signings? Sam is probably having second thoughts! I'm not that fussed about where we finish in the League.....I'm just glad to get out and have a night off from the Mrs.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 23 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Rubbish. Laguta was waiting for a phone call. And enormous amounts of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2024 at 9:32 AM, DJC said: Pawlicki finished on 7.32 with Wolves in 2014. Milik finished on 5.67 with Kings Lynn in 2015. Ridiculous if averages that are 9 and 10 years old are used 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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