Brummies 2024...

[GiveusaB]

Bottom line is.....no matter how long/short, it takes....B'ham need to sign 2 riders that can compete with everybody else's TOP 2!

The 'Forum' experts have given them plenty of 'suggestions' ! ( no sarcasm intended here....a lot of fans have more knowledge than some Promoters/TM's....)

Edited January 18 by GiveusaB

[StephenMiller]

So does anyone know what was in the Speedway Star article this week that has been previously mentioned ?

[BrumFan]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Yours.

Even the Polish press ran articles about it.

So it's the Polish press running stories then, not Birmingham management. Again I ask you who is throwing around financial numbers? Perhaps you would like to provide some  facts or evidence of this rather than wild accusations. 

[The Dog]

On 1/17/2024 at 11:13 AM, Marky_Mark said:

As it’s a slow work day, I decided to sit and do the maths on this.

So a third of that is about £650 a point, let’s just say Artem scores 10 points then £6500 plus extras (flights, mechanics etc) comes to £7500 a meeting 

£7500 divided by £25 entry fee = 300 people through the gate just to pay for Artem and that’s before all other costs, the other 6 riders plus stadium hire etc.

But that then got me thinking there is no entry fees when riding away so that’s another £7500 on the above assumptions so you’d need 600 people per home meeting to cover home and away costs for a number 1.

Now I have no idea how accurate the above figure is, nor am I saying anything against the riders as they have big expenses but it just made me realise how difficult it really is for these promoters. 

 

 

Whilst I appreciate that not every rider commands these sort of earnings, is it only me that thinks riders are vastly overpaid at a time when the fans are on the wane? I mean, how sustainable is nearly 2k for a heat win? 

[TTT]

2 hours ago, BrumFan said:

So it's the Polish press running stories then, not Birmingham management. Again I ask you who is throwing around financial numbers? Perhaps you would like to provide some  facts or evidence of this rather than wild accusations. 

The facts were in the star, the words were straight from Tolley's mouth.  

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Whilst I appreciate that not every rider commands these sort of earnings, is it only me that thinks riders are vastly overpaid at a time when the fans are on the wane? I mean, how sustainable is nearly 2k for a heat win? 

A riders worth should be based solely on how much money is coming into a club. Doesn't really matter how much any rider wants to spend on equipment / mechanics / vans etc. Clubs should only pay out what comes in.

Edited January 18 by szkocjasid

[heathen52]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

A riders worth should be based solely on how much money is coming into a club. Doesn't really matter how much any rider wants to spend on equipment / mechanics / vans etc. Clubs should only pay out what comes in.

But Speedway has been living way above it's means for a good many years now, how do you compete with such as Glasgow , is it not a case of how much is a Promoter prepared to subsidise a Team?, some of the figures I see being mentioned being paid to riders are mouth watering when one looks at average attendances. I see that 1000 is mentioned as being a good attendance figure x that by say £20 gives an income of £20k per meeting out of that there is track rental, medical cover, riders pay for home and away meetings, insurances, refs fees, BSPL licence fees, track maintenance, if teams only paid out of what comes in then may i suggest some riders would be paying the clubs to ride..

[Najjer]

5 hours ago, BrumFan said:

So it's the Polish press running stories then, not Birmingham management. Again I ask you who is throwing around financial numbers? Perhaps you would like to provide some  facts or evidence of this rather than wild accusations. 

It was in the speedway star - perhaps you might want to backtrack about ‘wild accusations’. 

[Pauldoveyspeedway]

9 hours ago, Najjer said:

It was in the speedway star - perhaps you might want to backtrack about ‘wild accusations’. 

I havnt had the S.S yet what did it say ???

[GiveusaB]

1 hour ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said:

I havnt had the S.S yet what did it say ???

Nothing...apparently !?

[*JJ]

18 hours ago, GiveusaB said:

The 'Forum' experts have given them plenty of 'suggestions' ! ( no sarcasm intended here....a lot of fans have more knowledge than some Promoters/TM's....)

But most of them don't ...

[GiveusaB]

22 minutes ago, *JJ said:

But most of them don't ...

I beg to differ based on the last 2 season at B'ham. But, its all about opinion I guess ?

Who would you like to see announced as the final 2 signings for B'ham?

I would like Lindgren/Laguta/Vacculik /Kolodziej/Lambert ???

It will most likely be Smolinski and Covatti 

Or Sedgemen and Batchelor ?? 

[The H Man]

4 hours ago, GiveusaB said:

I beg to differ based on the last 2 season at B'ham. But, its all about opinion I guess ?

Who would you like to see announced as the final 2 signings for B'ham?

I would like Lindgren/Laguta/Vacculik /Kolodziej/Lambert ???

It will most likely be Smolinski and Covatti 

Or Sedgemen and Batchelor ?? 

You won't have long to find out mate!  

[Pauldoveyspeedway]

22 minutes ago, The H Man said:

You won't have long to find out mate!  

When is the big announcement???

[GiveusaB]

3 hours ago, The H Man said:

You won't have long to find out mate!  

Cheers pal!

Very excited!

[BrumFan]

On 1/17/2024 at 5:16 PM, TTT said:

Some advice for you considering that you're a new member.

If you can't accept opinions that don't blow smoke up club bosses / promoters backsides then this forum isn't for you.

This forum doesn't live in a fantasy world where it see's no wrong in club bosses and the sport as a whole, This forum is the complete opposite and members will speak the truth and call out the nonsense that promoters spout.

You cant throw around financial numbers and names like Zmarzlik only to deliver nothing so far.

So you are actually commenting on the money NT has admitted to pouring into the club over the last 2 years. Delivered nothing? So saving speedway in Birmingham and now the West Midlands, taking us into the Premiership and now ploughing more money into the club is apparently in your opinion delivering nothing. This is all because our last 2 riders are yet to be named, which I'm sure will only give you something else to complain about when announced. Whatever the team I will be at Perry Barr this season, or until according to you we close down without completing the season, to give the support Nigel deserves for saving and backing Birmingham Speedway.  The last 2 years have been far from perfect but at least we still have Speedway. 

[bloom89]

12 hours ago, BrumFan said:

So you are actually commenting on the money NT has admitted to pouring into the club over the last 2 years. Delivered nothing? So saving speedway in Birmingham and now the West Midlands, taking us into the Premiership and now ploughing more money into the club is apparently in your opinion delivering nothing. This is all because our last 2 riders are yet to be named, which I'm sure will only give you something else to complain about when announced. Whatever the team I will be at Perry Barr this season, or until according to you we close down without completing the season, to give the support Nigel deserves for saving and backing Birmingham Speedway.  The last 2 years have been far from perfect but at least we still have Speedway. 

In fairness Tolley may have pumped hundreds and thousands into Birmingham speedway but all he has achieved so far is putting two seasons of poor sides out in the championship while admitting crowds were poor during those two seasons. So yes applaud him by all means but to move up to a higher league higher rider wages and better riders with no guarantee of increased crowds is a major gamble. There is only so much money one person can continue to lose until they get sick and that’s a fact unless you’re a billionaire who has money to throw away which I don’t think Tolley is. You can understand fans being frustrated, Oxford have brought magic back, Sheffield have woffy and the holders, Ipswich have doyle and Emil but realistically who are brum going to get? I hope it works out but I’m fearful for them if I’m honest.

[TTT]

13 hours ago, BrumFan said:

So you are actually commenting on the money NT has admitted to pouring into the club over the last 2 years. Delivered nothing? So saving speedway in Birmingham and now the West Midlands, taking us into the Premiership and now ploughing more money into the club is apparently in your opinion delivering nothing. This is all because our last 2 riders are yet to be named, which I'm sure will only give you something else to complain about when announced. Whatever the team I will be at Perry Barr this season, or until according to you we close down without completing the season, to give the support Nigel deserves for saving and backing Birmingham Speedway.  The last 2 years have been far from perfect but at least we still have Speedway. 

Good way of trying to twist things, I applaud your tactic to be fair.

I'm commenting on the fact that Tolley is acting like billy big bo**ocks bragging about his wealth by saying he would sign Zmarzlik if he could because the money isn't a problem for him when the FACT is Tolley and his big lump of cash hasn't been able to convince any half decent Heat Leader to join the club for the 2024 season let alone the World No.1 and current 4 x World Champion.

My point is this -> TALK IS CHEAP! Actually sign some Heat Leaders and put out a competitive side before acting like the big I AM, If he insists on throwing around names in public like Zmarzlik only to end up with a top two of Zagar and Milik for example then he's only going to get criticised for it.

Hope this helps.

[stevehone]

3 hours ago, TTT said:

Good way of trying to twist things, I applaud your tactic to be fair.

I'm commenting on the fact that Tolley is acting like billy big bo**ocks bragging about his wealth by saying he would sign Zmarzlik if he could because the money isn't a problem for him when the FACT is Tolley and his big lump of cash hasn't been able to convince any half decent Heat Leader to join the club for the 2024 season let alone the World No.1 and current 4 x World Champion.

My point is this -> TALK IS CHEAP! Actually sign some Heat Leaders and put out a competitive side before acting like the big I AM, If he insists on throwing around names in public like Zmarzlik only to end up with a top two of Zagar and Milik for example then he's only going to get criticised for it.

Hope this helps.

bit unfair with that too .. it's not always the money, it could be in part to the club only moving up this year and it's not a club that has the pull of Belle Vue, Sheffield etc, and Ipswich have been very lucky with their backing and having Chris Louis as the figurehead. If Birmingham can have an ok season with good racing it might give them a chance to encourage riders to go there

[Teromaafan]

4 hours ago, TTT said:

Good way of trying to twist things, I applaud your tactic to be fair.

I'm commenting on the fact that Tolley is acting like billy big bo**ocks bragging about his wealth by saying he would sign Zmarzlik if he could because the money isn't a problem for him when the FACT is Tolley and his big lump of cash hasn't been able to convince any half decent Heat Leader to join the club for the 2024 season let alone the World No.1 and current 4 x World Champion.

My point is this -> TALK IS CHEAP! Actually sign some Heat Leaders and put out a competitive side before acting like the big I AM, If he insists on throwing around names in public like Zmarzlik only to end up with a top two of Zagar and Milik for example then he's only going to get criticised for it.

Hope this helps.

Harsh, but tells it like it is!