noaksey Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve55 said: Why not, makes a lot of sense if they do use most of the riders in both teams. Replace Nicholls in the Premier team with a number 1 and it might work. Would people still pay to watch a championship team though? It's intriguingĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 59 minutes ago, StarBoy said: If doubling up still exists which I'm assuming it will... Will Oxford be allowed to use the same riders in both their Spires and Chargers teams? Ā 8 minutes ago, Steve55 said: Why not, makes a lot of sense if they do use most of the riders in both teams. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 4/5 rider overlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Ā Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 4/5 rider overlapļ»æ Be a good idea to get the fans on board, watching the same riders (or most of them) every week, something to identify with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve55 said: Be a good idea to get the fans on board, watching the same riders (or most of them) every week, something to identify with. I agreeĀ It could be the blueprint for the future for all Prem teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 Oxford Spires? Where has that come from? in view of the fan demograph, would have thought the āRebelsā name would have been resurrected. Nostalgiaā¦.Itās not what it used to be. Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 I think it's a very bold decision given the number of fixtures that need to be run. However it is an idea that nobody has the guts to try but could work. British Speedway'sĀ inability to ensure that allĀ teams end upĀ completing the same number of fixtures before the cut off is poor, the number of rain off and number of fixtures that end up being crammed into the end of the year or becoming meaningless is poor. However i also think that it's achievable for OxfordĀ to run that number of fixtures, if they areĀ run professionally and they have an approach of gettingĀ meetings on rather than calling meetings off. It is understandable to see comments saying that it is going to beĀ hard to see fans spending that amount of money to support 2 teams on a week to week basis because of the cost of admission prices. However every year you see a significant proportion of Speedway fans saying that they want a regular weekly meetingĀ because speedway should be every week and that a Stadium should be in use. I think it's a reality that fans don't travel as much as they used to, following a Team Home and Away in really large numbers is a reality for Speedway Fans anymore.Ā However watching attendances at Newport dwindle and subsequentlyĀ becoming an irregular fan at Swindon and Somerset also gave me a much more realistic perspective around attendances. When an attendance figure is mentioned regarding a Break Even point i do wonder what that point would realistically be, if clubs didn't have other income streams Attendance wise a lot of tracks struggle when the weather is poor and other events are on,Ā do wellĀ during the summer months and school holidays, and there is a benefit to successfully hostingĀ major meetings are on e.g. Pairs/Fours/Rider Championships. And it's always noticeable during Playoffs that attendances are up However, I think Speedway's viability is entirely contingent on other income sources whetherĀ that be Sponsorship, TV Revenue, revenue generated from other businesses or owners who bankroll the sport. That being said, regarding Oxford. They have had good crowds by all accounts, they have been run professionally. Oxford has a sizeable population &Ā people support successful teams.Ā Most tracks have also seen the benefit of Emil joining Ipswich, which did have an impact in increased attendances. It's helped show that moreĀ Premiership clubs from a Club/Rider perspective are being run more professionally, and i thinkĀ that has played a large part in other riders wanting to return to racing in Britain. The other thing with attracting more top levelĀ riders back. It has the potential to appeal to more casual fans, TV fans, Fans of defunct Tracks. I applaud Oxford for having the guts to try something different. Ā 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 I'd certainly be using Jenkins as the RS. Masters could be the only other doubling up Cheetah, unless Dillon Ruml is Champ HL & Prem reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Oxford Spires? Where has that come from? in view of the fan demograph, would have thought the āRebelsā name would have been resurrected. Nostalgiaā¦.Itās not what it used to be. Ā I'm not keen on "Spires" like you suggest a move back to "Rebels" would be more relatable. Other options could be "Dons" after the teaching staff at the University or even "Blues" as the boat crew are called Even use the Ox from Oxford & be "Bulls". Then as there are already "Chargers" why not " Lightning". I think there are many better options that will have more meaning to the Oxford fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 While there is a lot of talk about gambles financially, I guess the bit we do not know is what the financial incentive has been for Oxford and Birmingham to go into the top flight and prop it up. Without them it would probably be dead. I suspect there are some decent benefits for the move which may protect them slightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chris Brown said: While there is a lot of talk about gambles financially, I guess the bit we do not know is what the financial incentive has been for Oxford and Birmingham to go into the top flight and prop it up. Without them it would probably be dead. I suspect there are some decent benefits for the move which may protect them slightly Word on the street has been that due to an increase in greyhound racing at Perry Barr brim were only going to be able to run speedway on Mondays next year so their incentive is the top league protected nights are Mondays and thursdays. in oxfords case didnāt they want to go straight into the top league when they returned and thereās some rule about having to start in the lower league first and prove viability of a new team at a lower running cost or somethingĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 50 minutes ago, Technik said: I'm not keen on "Spires" like you suggest a move back to "Rebels" would be more relatable. Other options could be "Dons" after the teaching staff at the University or even "Blues" as the boat crew are called Even use the Ox from Oxford & be "Bulls". Then as there are already "Chargers" why not " Lightning". I think there are many better options that will have more meaning to the Oxford fans. I also wish they were using "Rebels" again. I think they are missing an oportunity there. The return of the Rebels would have been a good idea and meant something to many Oxford supporters. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 And what precisely would we be rebelling against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 Remember also. Oxfords owner is one of, if not THE richest bookmaker in UK. Got money to burnĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 If you don't like the Spires, how about Oxford Silver Machine lol! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Technik said: I'm not keen on "Spires" like you suggest a move back to "Rebels" would be more relatable. Other options could be "Dons" after the teaching staff at the University or even "Blues" as the boat crew are called Even use the Ox from Oxford & be "Bulls". Then as there are already "Chargers" why not " Lightning". I think there are many better options that will have more meaning to the Oxford fans. Ā 1 hour ago, Grachan said: I also wish they were using "Rebels" again. I think they are missing an oportunity there. The return of the Rebels would have been a good idea and meant something to many Oxford supporters. Ā Didn't Somerset have to drop 'Rebels' for "political correctness" reasons?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 I think team composition is going to be so important and something they need to get right. If you want the fans to support all the teams, it's more difficult when half of your championship team, next week are riding against you in the Premiership. They need as many as possible riding in particularly both top teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Technik said: I'm not keen on "Spires" like you suggest a move back to "Rebels" would be more relatable. Other options could be "Dons" after the teaching staff at the University or even "Blues" as the boat crew are called Even use the Ox from Oxford & be "Bulls". Then as there are already "Chargers" why not " Lightning". I think there are many better options that will have more meaning to the Oxford fans. Name of the Birmingham junior team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, wtf said: I think team composition is going to be so important and something they need to get right. If you want the fans to support all the teams, it's more difficult when half of your championship team, next week are riding against you in the Premiership. They need as many as possible riding in particularly both top teams. That's a good point. But how many of them have already signed elsewhere?Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: That's a good point. But how many of them have already signed elsewhere?Ā exactly. could be tricky, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidvej Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Ā Didn't Somerset have to drop 'Rebels' for "political correctness" reasons?Ā No, they didnāt. They replaced their original logo of the confederate flag with the insignia of the county of Somerset, but were still called the Rebels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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