bigcatdiary Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 20 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I'm actually glad there was a poor crowd or at least loads of spaces available in the stands. Speedway fans have let the promoters know what they are prepared to pay, had the stadium been full, then it could have been made more expensive next time. If Belle Vue hold the SON, SWC or a GP in the future, they'll have to make tickets cheaper, find a sponsor, get discovery to ask for less money or let Poland host everything. To be honest the event promoters should have noted what’s happened to the attendance at the British GP in recent years and why, they clearly haven’t and looking at the attendances this week I cannot see how they balanced the books if the early information about the staging costs is right. The final was excellent entertainment with some exceptional racing and the icing of course was GB winning, shame the weather somewhat ruined the other three meetings but the final was worth the wait. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, tyler42 said: 6 gate ones and a gate 4. You would expect him to score well. Bewley took the less favourable gates all night. when he was off gate four (the one time he was on the favoured gate) he won at ease. When the chips were down, Once again Lambert Gate one. Leaving Bewley to have to come from behind to beat the Aussies. So all those saying What a hero Lambert was ( Yes he rode superb) but how would have faired on the less favourable gates? a different story perhaps? and drop Bewley after two rides You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about this......I expect the idea was that Lambert would be more comfortable round the kerb than Bewley and Dan probably better from the back at BV as it's his home track. It's a team event and the idea is you use riders to their strengths to get the job done, that's exactly what GB did and it worked. 2 hours ago, Odds On said: Mark Lemon, you had one job all night, just one job.....so picks gates 2 and 4 in the final, absolute shocker. I keep reading this and find it inconceivable that the two riders didn't have more of an input than the TM. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 30 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about this......I expect the idea was that Lambert would be more comfortable round the kerb than Bewley and Dan probably better from the back at BV as it's his home track. It's a team event and the idea is you use riders to their strengths to get the job done, that's exactly what GB did and it worked. I keep reading this and find it inconceivable that the two riders didn't have more of an input than the TM. No way did Lemon tell the riders what gates to take. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 (edited) Why does the SWC & SON have to be staged over one week at one track? For a few years now the crowds before the final have been poor, surely partly because the hosts get seeded to the final, which can't help the crowds for at least one of the semi finals. So either host it at more tracks, home fans may swell the crowd at their "big match" or do what they did 30 years ago. Hold qualifiers earlier in the season and the final as a one-off event? Edited July 14 by szkocjasid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Why does the SWC & SON have to be staged over one week at one track? For a few years now the crowds before the final have been poor, surely partly because the hosts get seeded to the final, which can't help the crowds for at least one of the semi finals. So either host it at more tracks, home fans may swell the crowd at their "big match" or do what they did 30 years ago. Hold qualifiers earlier in the season and the final as a one-off event? The 2002 SWC was held at different tracks. We went to every meeting, and from what I recall, the crowds were pretty healthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 A good 36 hours after the great event final….. has anyone seen any reports in any of the national newspapers or on tv news? Why, as a sport in the UK that has international success both at individual and team level, speedway does not seem to get a mention at all.? It’s not that it’s one newspaper or one tv news channel……it’s as if it’s blanket No No across the whole spectre. WHY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 48 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: A good 36 hours after the great event final….. has anyone seen any reports in any of the national newspapers or on tv news? Why, as a sport in the UK that has international success both at individual and team level, speedway does not seem to get a mention at all.? It’s not that it’s one newspaper or one tv news channel……it’s as if it’s blanket No No across the whole spectre. WHY Barely 30,000 (tops), people watch it each week in the UK... That is considerably less than 0.1% of the population... No surprise it gets ignored by the mainstream media.. BSB, MX fans, Stock Car fans, Ice Hockey and Basketball fans and even Crown Green bowling supporters, could argue the same.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 19 hours ago, Fromafar said: If British Speedway is too cheap, then it is in more trouble than I thought.Your theory must be double the admission will double the crowd. Younger people can probably afford it but are just not interested Speedway is cheap in the uk IMO We just been away to “the seaside”. We enjoyed an ice cream cone each, just a single blob. It was very nice (cherry flavour with slices of cherry too). £9 for the two (and kept an eye on the seagulls). Stayed a few night in a 7 bedroomed B&B, nothing cheaper than £75 per night, we paid £100 per night and was very happy, lovely place. Snack lunch in a corner cafe near the seafront, just a panini and fresh salad, very nice, cup of coffee each after. £28 for two. It’s today’s cost of enjoying yourself on a break. (I also got a £25 fixed price car park ticket that I appealed against and won). Today, speedway tracks are closing down, have been for a long time, some due to environmental issues, or land development, but some because not enough money is being made to make a track a viable proposition. Up go the prices a quid or two and “foul” is shouted by the fans. Speedway is a technical motorised sport, and costly to compete, riders travelling hundreds of miles each week, often this means it’s there only means of making a living. Lots of costs associated with running a stadium. All needs to be paid for, if the fans don’t/wont the track closes down. There are those on here today who remember Wembley in the 60’s/70’s with a 80,000+ crowd. That was then, 50 or 60 years ago! 50 or 60 years ago. At times I can’t get used to today’s prices when compared to how things were in the good ole days, but life has moved on. I’m careful what I spend money on, but sometimes get caught “by the moment” and buy something I later wish I hadn’t. That’s how it goes sometimes. As for today, I can’t afford, nor do I want to travel 65 miles return to watch Belle Vue. I cannot afford all the subscription channels that may show all I want to watch. So I am happy to pay for a sub channel that gives me all the GP’s, events such as SON, British championship, some British league matches and a few others such as world championship Challenge. That cost me about the same as 4 admission prices to British Premiere league matches (for one person). Would be nice to be there in person, but apart from costs as a pensioner there’s the other reason of me or the wife not always feeling too good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 30 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Speedway is cheap in the uk IMO We just been away to “the seaside”. We enjoyed an ice cream cone each, just a single blob. It was very nice (cherry flavour with slices of cherry too). £9 for the two (and kept an eye on the seagulls). Stayed a few night in a 7 bedroomed B&B, nothing cheaper than £75 per night, we paid £100 per night and was very happy, lovely place. Snack lunch in a corner cafe near the seafront, just a panini and fresh salad, very nice, cup of coffee each after. £28 for two. It’s today’s cost of enjoying yourself on a break. (I also got a £25 fixed price car park ticket that I appealed against and won). Today, speedway tracks are closing down, have been for a long time, some due to environmental issues, or land development, but some because not enough money is being made to make a track a viable proposition. Up go the prices a quid or two and “foul” is shouted by the fans. Speedway is a technical motorised sport, and costly to compete, riders travelling hundreds of miles each week, often this means it’s there only means of making a living. Lots of costs associated with running a stadium. All needs to be paid for, if the fans don’t/wont the track closes down. There are those on here today who remember Wembley in the 60’s/70’s with a 80,000+ crowd. That was then, 50 or 60 years ago! 50 or 60 years ago. At times I can’t get used to today’s prices when compared to how things were in the good ole days, but life has moved on. I’m careful what I spend money on, but sometimes get caught “by the moment” and buy something I later wish I hadn’t. That’s how it goes sometimes. As for today, I can’t afford, nor do I want to travel 65 miles return to watch Belle Vue. I cannot afford all the subscription channels that may show all I want to watch. So I am happy to pay for a sub channel that gives me all the GP’s, events such as SON, British championship, some British league matches and a few others such as world championship Challenge. That cost me about the same as 4 admission prices to British Premiere league matches (for one person). Would be nice to be there in person, but apart from costs as a pensioner there’s the other reason of me or the wife not always feeling too good. Don’t think the GP challenge has ever been on Discovery + and certainly isn’t in 2024. Coverage in October is on PPV from Tapes up TV productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, racers and royals said: Don’t think the GP challenge has ever been on Discovery + and certainly isn’t in 2024. Coverage in October is on PPV from Tapes up TV productions. And that's what you took from that post? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 10 minutes ago, iainb said: And that's what you took from that post? Thought that was the most relevant bit lol 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Speedway is cheap in the uk IMO We just been away to “the seaside”. We enjoyed an ice cream cone each, just a single blob. It was very nice (cherry flavour with slices of cherry too). £9 for the two (and kept an eye on the seagulls). Stayed a few night in a 7 bedroomed B&B, nothing cheaper than £75 per night, we paid £100 per night and was very happy, lovely place. Snack lunch in a corner cafe near the seafront, just a panini and fresh salad, very nice, cup of coffee each after. £28 for two. It’s today’s cost of enjoying yourself on a break. (I also got a £25 fixed price car park ticket that I appealed against and won). Today, speedway tracks are closing down, have been for a long time, some due to environmental issues, or land development, but some because not enough money is being made to make a track a viable proposition. Up go the prices a quid or two and “foul” is shouted by the fans. Speedway is a technical motorised sport, and costly to compete, riders travelling hundreds of miles each week, often this means it’s there only means of making a living. Lots of costs associated with running a stadium. All needs to be paid for, if the fans don’t/wont the track closes down. There are those on here today who remember Wembley in the 60’s/70’s with a 80,000+ crowd. That was then, 50 or 60 years ago! 50 or 60 years ago. At times I can’t get used to today’s prices when compared to how things were in the good ole days, but life has moved on. I’m careful what I spend money on, but sometimes get caught “by the moment” and buy something I later wish I hadn’t. That’s how it goes sometimes. As for today, I can’t afford, nor do I want to travel 65 miles return to watch Belle Vue. I cannot afford all the subscription channels that may show all I want to watch. So I am happy to pay for a sub channel that gives me all the GP’s, events such as SON, British championship, some British league matches and a few others such as world championship Challenge. That cost me about the same as 4 admission prices to British Premiere league matches (for one person). Would be nice to be there in person, but apart from costs as a pensioner there’s the other reason of me or the wife not always feeling too good. Great post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, racers and royals said: Don’t think the GP challenge has ever been on Discovery + and certainly isn’t in 2024. Coverage in October is on PPV from Tapes up TV productions. Your are right, and I do need help to remember some things, glad you can assist. You probably know how much PPV costs per viewing, approx twice as much as Discovery+ and I get a months viewing with D+. So my trip to PPL was a “little treat” so to speak. Depends who is in it this year as to whether I treat myself again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Thoroughly enjoyed my time in Manchester, giving the weather I thought the racing was good, especially Saturday, obviously having a Team GB win help somewhat. Much has been made about ticket pricing, and I agree that for the four meetings last week it was on the expensive side, I`ve long been of the opinion that less equals more where if you keep ticket prices to a sensible level you should sell more tickets, this goes for SON but especially for the Cardiff SGP. It was disappointing that for the Final there were empty seats in the main stand and the temporary stand on bends three and four not even half used. I hope that Belle Vue will be used for more big meetings in the future be it SON, SWC or SGP and I look forward to attending. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregularisback Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 The days when the WC was sponsored by a national newspaper, and major meetings sponsored by press and tv are long gone. Does the NSS have press facilities?. Could the organisers not have invited sports reporters and photographers to the SON final, given them dinner and someone on hand to explain the format and scoring. Then everyone reading a national newspaper yesterday and today would see a report. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Speedway is cheap in the uk IMO We just been away to “the seaside”. We enjoyed an ice cream cone each, just a single blob. It was very nice (cherry flavour with slices of cherry too). £9 for the two (and kept an eye on the seagulls). Stayed a few night in a 7 bedroomed B&B, nothing cheaper than £75 per night, we paid £100 per night and was very happy, lovely place. Snack lunch in a corner cafe near the seafront, just a panini and fresh salad, very nice, cup of coffee each after. £28 for two. It’s today’s cost of enjoying yourself on a break. (I also got a £25 fixed price car park ticket that I appealed against and won). Today, speedway tracks are closing down, have been for a long time, some due to environmental issues, or land development, but some because not enough money is being made to make a track a viable proposition. Up go the prices a quid or two and “foul” is shouted by the fans. Speedway is a technical motorised sport, and costly to compete, riders travelling hundreds of miles each week, often this means it’s there only means of making a living. Lots of costs associated with running a stadium. All needs to be paid for, if the fans don’t/wont the track closes down. There are those on here today who remember Wembley in the 60’s/70’s with a 80,000+ crowd. That was then, 50 or 60 years ago! 50 or 60 years ago. At times I can’t get used to today’s prices when compared to how things were in the good ole days, but life has moved on. I’m careful what I spend money on, but sometimes get caught “by the moment” and buy something I later wish I hadn’t. That’s how it goes sometimes. As for today, I can’t afford, nor do I want to travel 65 miles return to watch Belle Vue. I cannot afford all the subscription channels that may show all I want to watch. So I am happy to pay for a sub channel that gives me all the GP’s, events such as SON, British championship, some British league matches and a few others such as world championship Challenge. That cost me about the same as 4 admission prices to British Premiere league matches (for one person). Would be nice to be there in person, but apart from costs as a pensioner there’s the other reason of me or the wife not always feeling too good. Not disagreeing with some of your points.You have question the value for money and entertainment factor into it though.Other Motor Sports in GB BSB,Superbikes,Touring Cars all attract large crowds(admittedly not weekly sports,but neither is Speedway nowadays).Speedway is not attracting new fans in any large numbers and that is the problem.Very disappointing that aWorld Championship in the Sport cannot fill the Stadium though.Like you say it’s a different Era now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 6 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: A good 36 hours after the great event final….. has anyone seen any reports in any of the national newspapers or on tv news? Why, as a sport in the UK that has international success both at individual and team level, speedway does not seem to get a mention at all.? It’s not that it’s one newspaper or one tv news channel……it’s as if it’s blanket No No across the whole spectre. WHY I'm sure it's not the only reason but the name of the event hardly attracts attention. It's effectively a World Cup final but 'Speedway of Nations' would mean absolutely nothing to anyone who's not already interested. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Thoroughly enjoyed the final. Great racing and great atmosphere. Shame to see the temporary stand go to waste but was to be expected with the pricing structure. I opted for the South Stand- great view of the action. Can't see how they can justify £20 more for an open top stand on the bend which was further from the action. Either way a great meeting and a great win for team GB! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 (edited) My thoughts. Thoroughly enjoyed the meeting , paid £95.00 to sit in a front row seat in the grandstand with a fantastic view (Block A) . Yes I realise the pricing has caused some issues and maybe £65/70 would have been better but the promoting of the event had been very expensive for the FIM/Discovery? The issue of the tickets reminds me that sport and entertainment at the top level is not cheap, I paid £100 to see Joe Bonamassa about four years ago but really enjoyed the show but in recent weeks have eaten out at various eateries and feel as though I had my pants pulled down with the pricing, when getting average to poor food for £45/50 for two people.....yes I know I must be getting old! All the riders involved put on a tremendous show for the fans, special mention to Latvia who did very well. Minor gripes , the PA was virtually inaudible in the Grandstand, long queues for drinks and food at the food outlet's. Oh nearly forgot.....what a win for team GB !! It came home. Edited July 15 by topaz325 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, The Cheese said: I'm sure it's not the only reason but the name of the event hardly attracts attention. It's effectively a World Cup final but 'Speedway of Nations' would mean absolutely nothing to anyone who's not already interested. Haven't thought about this before but you are so right, perhaps it should be called World Pairs like years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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