StarBoy Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, PTW said: I would say that’s a really strong line up,stronger than oxfords I’d say all the British track experience they all have and there all very consistent riders obviously if that’s the team if it is well done Leicester only slight weak link is Joe Thompson but I’m sure he will only be getting 3 rides home and away Wouldn't Kemp be classed as a weak link at 6 opposed to RS? Will be a tough heat 7 and 11 at home and tough heat 6, 9 and 12 away. We all know meetings can be won or lost at reserve and I would say Leicester have the weakest duo here along with Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Does the Club pick the Rising Star that they want.? Does the rider have to go there.? Yes the club picks the rider they want to sign. No, the rider doesn't have to sign for the club unless he was there at the end of last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, iainb said: Because there's a high liklihood that he'd score a hell of a lot more around the PMA than he would at foxhole. A few duck eggs at foxhole and confidence could easily be lost and a downward spiral be gotten into. Doesn't a riders contact generally last for 1 year and then they revert to their parent club. Of course a contact will probably have get out clauses if a rider is not performing up to muster. The rising star concept is carried over year to year meaning the obligation remains for a rider to ride with the club he was riding for at the end of last season if he wishes to continue to ride as rising star. He can come off the list at any time, but would be required to ride on a true handicap in the main body or at 6. This latter aspect is likely to lessen the riders appeal to team managers. Edited December 4, 2023 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, W9 Lion said: Yes if the rising star is on the scheme. The rider does not have to accept a rising star offer, but if he rejects it then they remove themselves from the scheme for the entire season. Surely he can be arising Star at another Team if they want him though.Is that not the case ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Yes the club picks the rider they want to sign. No, the rider doesn't have to sign for the club unless he was there at the end of last season. I’d say Kemp will hold his own with the weaker number 6’s, Edwards, Bailey, Jenkins. Obviously not as good as Kerr and Wojdylo. Not sure who Birminghams will be, but J Thomp will be the weakest/2nd weakest along with Boughen of the number 7’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 18 hours ago, iainb said: I assume loan fees still get paid Who knows but I very much doubt it. unless a rider is under contract with a club legally he can’t be deemed an asset. Hence riders ride wherever they want regardless of which club claims them as an ‘asset’ The asset system is an in-house speedway thing if tested legally it would collapse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Surely he can be arising Star at another Team if they want him though.Is that not the case ? That is not the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Who knows but I very much doubt it. unless a rider is under contract with a club legally he can’t be deemed an asset. Hence riders ride wherever they want regardless of which club claims them as an ‘asset’ The asset system is an in-house speedway thing if tested legally it would collapse. Loan fees are still paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Who knows but I very much doubt it. unless a rider is under contract with a club legally he can’t be deemed an asset. Hence riders ride wherever they want regardless of which club claims them as an ‘asset’ The asset system is an in-house speedway thing if tested legally it would collapse. When a rider "agreed" to become an asset of a club, he received a form of compensation/payment. The terms of this payment reach beyond a riding contract. This approach does not restrict the rider from signing for whoever he likes. However, It does prevent a club from signing whoever they want if a fee is due to the asset owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1 valve said: Done so the rising star once signed recognises the contractual obligation he is under to the club who has chosen to take him on. That said, If the club releases the rising star, then the rider can sign for another club. I find it interesting there are rules to stop riders messing around clubs, but not rules to stop clubs messing around the riders! Edited December 4, 2023 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I find it interesting there are rules to stop riders messing around clubs, but bit rules to stop clubs messing around the riders! So what's a 28 days ban for witholding services if its not a rule to stop riders messing clubs around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I find it interesting there are rules to stop riders messing around clubs, but bit rules to stop clubs messing around the riders! There's quite a bit of that. The most noticeable one being a rider who withholds his services because of not being paid can be suspended from riding anywhere in the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: So what's a 28 days ban for witholding services if its not a rule to stop riders messing clubs around? That's what I said "there are rules to stop riders messing around clubs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Riders still have to sign to say they have been paid for the previous meeting before they ride in the next one. Who polices that? And what are the teeth? In fact I can't remember any club ever being sanctioned for non payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, 1 valve said: There's quite a bit of that. The most noticeable one being a rider who withholds his services because of not being paid can be suspended from riding anywhere in the UK! But if he is not being paid then it is the club messing the rider about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Anyone have any strong opinions on the new logo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 24 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: Anyone have any strong opinions on the new logo? I quite like it. But do I get a say? I'm a Bees fan. As an aside, I hope the Bees go back to the fighting Bee logo when they reopen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: But if he is not being paid then it is the club messing the rider about. That’s the point I was making. The rider has no sanction he can take if he’s not being paid. But if he does withhold his services he faces sanctions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Teromaafan said: Anyone have any strong opinions on the new logo? Think I preferred the old one, new one looks a bit 1990's, similar to Glasgow's but crapper... but they've got merch to sell I suppose. Tbh I thought the old logo of the Lion was very good indeed, wasn't so keen on the ye olde style font though from a few seasons back Edited December 4, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Anyone have any strong opinions on the new logo? My dad hates but I actually love it. Must be a generation thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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