Promoters Conference

[arnieg]

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:

So blinkered, some posters!

Are promoters not allowed to have a working holiday, or even a holiday then?

If they have made a 'profit' from their Speedway business, how do they plow even a penny back into facilities at a stadium where the majority are merely tenants?

If the costs are, as someone suggested around £1000, to attend, what difference would that mean, adding £1000 to a track's overall budget for the year?  That £1000 (and more) can be wiped out in quick time by a rain off.

I agree with you up to a point. But:

A] it is a  tone deaf action in a time when many are coping with tighter budgets due to the 'cost of living crisis'

B] what choice do promoters who don't fancy a piss up in the sun have? To waste £1000 or miss out on input into the big decisions.

C] how do you bring in 'experts' for specific sessions? (zoom may be adequate, but hardly ideal)

[MillenTheVillen]

1 hour ago, Neila said:

Was told its costing 1k each to go to the conference to have a show of hands to pass what already has been agreed. This money could have been spent on a lot more things,  like facilities for the fans in the stadiums, money towards some form of media promotion etc etc

Maybe it could be used to pay your Promotions riders for their last meeting? After all they'll have Bill's to pay and you wouldn't go to work and not get paid would you!  Let's have a Development League where we teach the kids you don't get paid what your owed right from the off.

Edited November 11, 2023 by MillenTheVillen

[Neila]

4 minutes ago, MillenTheVillen said:

Maybe it could be used to pay your Promotions riders for their last meeting? After all they'll have Bill's to pay and you wouldn't go to work and not get paid would you!  Let's have a Development League where we teach the kids you don't get paid what your owed right from the off.

Unfortunately that's a past promotion,  and apparently not the only ones who have not paid riders, let's get behind the new promotion they are s breath of fresh air, totally different to any other promotion in worky or elsewhere 

[GS550]

56 minutes ago, Gambo said:

So blinkered, some posters!

Are promoters not allowed to have a working holiday, or even a holiday then?

If they have made a 'profit' from their Speedway business, how do they plow even a penny back into facilities at a stadium where the majority are merely tenants?

If the costs are, as someone suggested around £1000, to attend, what difference would that mean, adding £1000 to a track's overall budget for the year?  That £1000 (and more) can be wiped out in quick time by a rain off.

Not at all.  If they want to go on a holiday then fine.  But not in the name of speedway and under the auspices of the BSPL.  Goes against every principle, it stinks to high heaven.  It's ridiculous and totally unnecessary.  The old BSPA were shamed into abandoning the practice years ago, the principle hasn't changed, it still stinks.

[GS550]

24 minutes ago, Gambo said:

And why shouldn't they go to Tenerife?

Is there a new track in Tenerife?

[MillenTheVillen]

19 minutes ago, Neila said:

Unfortunately that's a past promotion,  and apparently not the only ones who have not paid riders, let's get behind the new promotion they are s breath of fresh air, totally different to any other promotion in worky or elsewhere 

I never mentioned past promotions.

[SteveLyric2]

2 hours ago, GS550 said:

That's just nonsense.  Obviously you've never been then.  Our holiday this year was £3k all in for two, that's flights, accommodation, all meals.  Even soft drinks were about 3.50 or 3.90 euros each.  Our booking for next year is nearly £2.9k and that's just to the tour operator, so any spending will add to the total.  That's the reality.  The initial headline figure might say it's £700 or £800 each, but it's probably just either room only or bed & breakfast, and the hotel might be far back from the beach.  If one of the more mainstream options near the beach, and meals added it soon jumps and the price each will be more like £1,200 or £1,300 or more and that's just mainstream.  By the time you're finished with the add ons such as seating together etc, there's not a lot of change out £3k.  If you think £3k is cheap then you're far better off than me.

Fact of the matter is the Canaries are not a cheap option, no matter how you try to skew it, you're kidding yourself on if you think it's cheap.  It isn't.  If it's just room only and about £800 x 2 so 'only' £1,600 to the tour operator, the true cost of food and drink will be a sizeable chunk on top and it veers towards the same figure, doesn't matter much how you do it - once you take account of everything.  Food and drink prices aren't much different to the UK.  Years ago it was a bit less than UK prices but not now.  But you have the sun and good weather.

More to the point, there's no need for the promoters to go to Tenerife for a conference.  Everything has practically been agreed anyway, some promoters have voiced that there's no need for the trip to Tenerife, that the meeting could easily be just a short 1 hour meeting in Rugby.  The more professional among them have voiced that it is completely unnecessary.

Good luck to them all if they can sort out all the problems in a one hour meeting?! 

They don't even know for definite how many teams in each league - assuming there is more than one?!

If they can sort all the sports issues then a couple of days in the sunshine is the least they all deserve!

[GS550]

On 11/11/2023 at 11:39 AM, Skidder1 said:

Good luck to them all if they can sort out all the problems in a one hour meeting?! 

They don't even know for definite how many teams in each league - assuming there is more than one?!

If they can sort all the sports issues then a couple of days in the sunshine is the least they all deserve!

The more professional business-like promoters voiced that this holiday jolly to Tenerife is totally unnecessary.

If they want a holiday then fine but do so with their wife or family privately same as everyone else.

Edited November 12, 2023 by GS550

[Gambo]

10 minutes ago, GS550 said:

You haven't got it so I'll repeat.   There...  is.... NOTHING...  left...   to...   discuss!!!!!!!

What part of "there is nothing left to discuss" are you not getting?

They discussed everything at the p-re-meeting.  This is only a jolly.  They've no intention of discussing anything meaningful.

The more professional business-like promoters voiced that this holiday jolly to Tenerife is totally unnecessary.

In any case, if there are problems to sort out then it should be done in a business-like manner.  Not on a holiday jolly to Tenerife.  It's Mickey Mouse run by amateurs that haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.

If they want a holiday then fine but do so with their wife or family privately same as everyone else.

Make your mind up!

Are they Mickey Mouse amateurs, or 'more professional business-like promoters'?

Would be interesting to see which promoters YOU put into each group!

Edited November 11, 2023 by Gambo

[GS550]

On 11/11/2023 at 11:55 AM, Gambo said:

Make your mind up!

Are they Mickey Mouse amateurs, or 'more professional business-like promoters'?

Would be interesting to see which promoters YOU put into each group!

I said the more professional business-like promoters voiced that this holiday jolly to Tenerife is totally unnecessary.

Obviously they were in the minority and the amateur majority voted for it.  Its Mickey Mouse run by amateurs that haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.

Which promoters I put into each group - can you repeat that in English?

Edited November 12, 2023 by GS550

[Gambo]

Just now, GS550 said:

I said the more professional business-like promoters voiced that this holiday jolly to Tenerife is totally unnecessary.

Obviously they were in the minority and the amateur majority voted for it.  Its Mickey Mouse run by amateurs that haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.

So how did the more professional business-like promoters allow themselves to be outnumbered by the MM amateurs?

[GS550]

7 minutes ago, Gambo said:

So how did the more professional business-like promoters allow themselves to be outnumbered by the MM amateurs?

Does that even make any sense.  That's like saying to you "How did Coventry allow themselves to be outnumbered by the rest of the UK"!!  

If there are a minority of business-like professionals then what the amateur majority vote for is nothing to do with them.  It's just a sad reflection on why the sport has declined so much, they haven't a clue.  And going on a holiday jolly just confirms it.  Totally inappropriate.

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by GS550

[IainB]

I've seen some topics go off at a tangent into pretty pointless futile arguments... but how much does a week in Tenerife cost pretty much takes the biscuit... speaking of which, I wonder if you can get chocolate bourbons in Tenerife? 

[GS550]

On 11/11/2023 at 1:26 PM, iainb said:

I've seen some topics go off at a tangent into pretty pointless futile arguments... but how much does a week in Tenerife cost pretty much takes the biscuit... speaking of which, I wonder if you can get chocolate bourbons in Tenerife? 

Chocolate has a habit of melting in Tenerife  

Edited November 13, 2023 by GS550

[IronScorpion]

2 hours ago, GS550 said:

You haven't got it so I'll repeat.   There...  is.... NOTHING...  left...   to...   discuss!!!!!!!

What part of "there is nothing left to discuss" are you not getting?

They discussed everything at the p-re-meeting.  This is only a jolly.  They've no intention of discussing anything meaningful.

The more professional business-like promoters voiced that this holiday jolly to Tenerife is totally unnecessary.

In any case, if there are problems to sort out then it should be done in a business-like manner.  Not on a holiday jolly to Tenerife.  It's Mickey Mouse run by amateurs that haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.

If they want a holiday then fine but do so with their wife or family privately same as everyone else.

But, if like last year, there is nothing left to discuss then why did some teams with NDL sides say that we can not fit in all the fixtures so 2A 2H will have to go & only have 1H 1A plus the BSN & KOC competitions. Also, we will reduce the team declaration points from 42 to 40.

[GS550]

25 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

But, if like last year, there is nothing left to discuss then why did some teams with NDL sides say that we can not fit in all the fixtures so 2A 2H will have to go & only have 1H 1A plus the BSN & KOC competitions. Also, we will reduce the team declaration points from 42 to 40.

As I understand it those kind of decisions have already been made at the pre-meeting when anything of substance was discussed and agreed, and the Tenerife jaunt is just a holiday jolly @ reportedly £1,000 a head so if two joint promoters then as someone else observed on this thread that would be £2k per team, to rubber stamp in a quick meeting what they've already decided.  Totally unnecessary.

[Neila]

4 hours ago, Gambo said:

So how did the more professional business-like promoters allow themselves to be outnumbered by the MM amateurs?

The established mafia who try to control the sport, have a rule that new promotions don't have voting rights for 2 years !!!

[Lefty]

It would be reassuring to have a new "Five Year plan", providing they think League Speedway can continue for that long? 

[DSC67]

2 minutes ago, Lefty said:

It would be reassuring to have a new "Five Year plan", providing they think League Speedway can continue for that long? 

A long term plan is only any good if they actually stick to it and don't scrap it after two seasons 

[HenryW]

1 hour ago, DSC67 said:

A long term plan is only any good if they actually stick to it and don't scrap it after two seasons 

Two seasons is a good effort for their long term plans...usually gone after 1 year.