lewy Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jaizer said: To an extent I understand going for a predominantly British side. Out with bombers long track commitments shouldn't be great deal involved with rearranging meetings unlike this season. But can't pretend I'm excited by that 7. Worrall, solid though he is, doesn't replace basso in points and certainly not in entertainment value. Let's hope the rumours are wrong lol Alot of Glasgow fans were hoping the rumours of bomber signing last season were wrong but that didn't turn out bad. Teams are going to look weaker on paper with the 38pt limit compared to the team you finished with especially Glasgow. Fortunately for me Plymouth can't be any worse!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jaizer said: To an extent I understand going for a predominantly British side. Out with bombers long track commitments shouldn't be great deal involved with rearranging meetings unlike this season. But can't pretend I'm excited by that 7. Worrall, solid though he is, doesn't replace basso in points and certainly not in entertainment value. Let's hope the rumours are wrong lol Didn't you say this about Chris Harris last winter though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Agree with regarding the watering down of the sport.It’s not really doing anything to attract new fans with its Mickey Mouse set up. I think it has to be done with two leagues. There has to be a tangible difference in quality between each division. It’s interesting to me that the general consensus is that the standard across the board has gone down and that the top tier is filled with second tier riders, it could quite easily be seen that the standard of riders in the second tier is higher since the average conversion rate change/doubling up free-for-all that began 10 or so years back. I’m not saying I subscribe to that opinion, just playing devil’s advocate. One thing that is certain is that Championship fans will be exposed to a lesser product in 2024 (in terms of quality at least, if the racing is competitive then it will soon be forgiven I’m sure). I wonder if these changes have been made with an eye on forcing the hand of the bigger clubs in the Championship into moving up a league next winter. Lowering the points limit in the Championship is probably for the best for the sport long term. But I still fear the changes haven’t been strong enough and loopholes will still be found. Doubling up isn’t regulated for one, and guests being available for any missing rider for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Didn't you say this about Chris Harris last winter though? I did indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, Jaizer said: To an extent I understand going for a predominantly British side. Out with bombers long track commitments shouldn't be great deal involved with rearranging meetings unlike this season. But can't pretend I'm excited by that 7. Worrall, solid though he is, doesn't replace basso in points and certainly not in entertainment value. Let's hope the rumours are wrong lol Take a very good rider to replace the entertainment factor Basso had ,at least you've still got Bomber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: If a rider who has ridden all these year and can’t sort out decent machinery tells me something I’m afraid. I’m sure Glasgow will sort him out with some 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: I’m sure Glasgow will sort him out with some Decent machinery or Sherbet ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: I’m sure Glasgow will sort him out with some What did they give him the last time he rode or them,just money maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Ben91 said: I think it has to be done with two leagues. There has to be a tangible difference in quality between each division. It’s interesting to me that the general consensus is that the standard across the board has gone down and that the top tier is filled with second tier riders, it could quite easily be seen that the standard of riders in the second tier is higher since the average conversion rate change/doubling up free-for-all that began 10 or so years back. I’m not saying I subscribe to that opinion, just playing devil’s advocate. One thing that is certain is that Championship fans will be exposed to a lesser product in 2024 (in terms of quality at least, if the racing is competitive then it will soon be forgiven I’m sure). I wonder if these changes have been made with an eye on forcing the hand of the bigger clubs in the Championship into moving up a league next winter. Lowering the points limit in the Championship is probably for the best for the sport long term. But I still fear the changes haven’t been strong enough and loopholes will still be found. Doubling up isn’t regulated for one, and guests being available for any missing rider for another. Time will tell,I personally don’t see crowds flocking back to Championship Speedway any time soon.Be great if they held their own though.Money from streaming more likely needed to keep Clubs afloat.Can’t keep charging more for lesser goods.IMO 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, BluPanther said: Decent machinery or Sherbet ? Tough choice for some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 I fully expect the admission fee to be reduced at Ashfield next season as the product we're buying is inferior. Hmm..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarsbar2 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Bandit59 said: See last post on page 25 Phil the Ace So 4 reserves around 4 points, so 2 in the main body of the team. Then a rider who averages 5 points away from Berwick as our Third heatleader. Hope the rumours are wrong. Cannot see that team making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarsbar2 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Jaizer said: To an extent I understand going for a predominantly British side. Out with bombers long track commitments shouldn't be great deal involved with rearranging meetings unlike this season. But can't pretend I'm excited by that 7. Worrall, solid though he is, doesn't replace basso in points and certainly not in entertainment value. Let's hope the rumours are wrong lol Does Leon not still qualify for under 21 events next year? If not sure he'd be in contention for under 24 events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 Connor Bailey not going to be in the 2024 team then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 Read loads of posts regarding points limit etc but clearly teams ride in this league based on money to run that's why there is two leagues, having watched Darcy,Holder,Magic ride at Poole the goalposts have now changed and much as I would like Poole to have these riders it isn't possible with the points limit and it's this limit for a reason cost, so while I couldn't at first understand why the points limit is lower I now realise why it's a league below.On the other hand if what I read on here Glasgow promotion are not short of a few quid and maybe Poole being well supported are comfortable and they choose this league why do we both not go up, well Wednesday issue for us I suppose, when Birmingham who must have won the lottery based on last year and Oxford running two teams go premier who knows but we both have a team unlike many who sadly have folded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Marksman said: Connor Bailey not going to be in the 2024 team then? My guess is he'll be at Workington. But that's just a gut feeling, I've not been told anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 hours ago, gmarsbar2 said: Does Leon not still qualify for under 21 events next year? If not sure he'd be in contention for under 24 events. One more season at under 21s. Given riders like Ablitt, Killeen, Jack Smith, Hagon have been appearing in the Polish under 24 league I wouldn't rule it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Fromafar said: What did they give him the last time he rode or them,just money maybe. think the last time he ride for us his machinery was pretty good it was his crash just before the playoffs and 2 broken wrists that were the problem lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Jaizer said: I can't imagine be many weaker 2nd string pairings if turns out to be the case We've gone for a strong top three and our reserves may well be among the highest average pairing in the league coming in at just under 7. This squeezes the second strings leaving very little to play with. It may well prove to have been a mistake going heavy on the top three - after all only two are needed for heat 15. Bailey in place of Flint would have left more for the second strings and given us a better balanced side. Bailey may well outscore Flint next year too! Edited November 20, 2023 by Beirao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, Beirao said: We've gone for a strong top three and our reserves may well be among the highest average pairing in the league coming in at just under 7. This squeezes the second strings leaving very little to play with. It may well prove to have been a mistake going heavy on the top three - after all only two are needed for heat 15. Bailey in place of Flint would have left more for the second strings and given us a better balanced side. Bailey may well outscore Flint next year too! You'd hope with bombers mentorship Leon would be able to master ashfield, does seem an odd fit given his well known dislike of the track. But then you don't improve if you don't learn to ride the tracks you dislike. I'm with you would probably gone with Connor and a stronger 2nd string 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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