Fromafar Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 17 minutes ago, Paulco said: We coped when there was about 20 teams in our league ,and we had the fours too Plus KO Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwaySlider72 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 26 minutes ago, Paulco said: We coped when there was about 20 teams in our league ,and we had the fours too Could only happen if teams ran off race night again. So many Friday tracks that don't wish to shift to their back up night now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) Early call , Meeting off tonight….fixture pile up incoming Edited August 2 by Diablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 12 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Could only happen if teams ran off race night again. So many Friday tracks that don't wish to shift to their back up night now. Only 4 Teams Friday night in a 6 month season with only a 9 Team League should be workable.Once again its riders availability causing the most of the problems.Riders Rule the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: If clubs are happy to race on their off night & support each other when re-arranging fixtures, then 2 home & away could easily work. But clubs haven't always shown they are so helpful to others, so that's why I'm thinking it'll be a struggle to fix all the fixtures in. Get rid of the play-offs & you'll have no trouble. All four Friday clubs had reserved dates spread throughout their fixture list but none seem to have been co-ordinated and, with a preponderance of meetings against fellow Friday nighters being postponed, very few have been used resulting in the current fixture chaos. Thrown in the fact that three of the four have an NDL side and look to run them on Fridays too and you've got the perfect storm. Controversial idea but how about making Friday an NDL free race night. Would think Rob Godfrey would agree after all didn't he get Workington to move off Fridays about six years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Beirao said: All four Friday clubs had reserved dates spread throughout their fixture list but none seem to have been co-ordinated and, with a preponderance of meetings against fellow Friday nighters being postponed, very few have been used resulting in the current fixture chaos. Thrown in the fact that three of the four have an NDL side and look to run them on Fridays too and you've got the perfect storm. Controversial idea but how about making Friday an NDL free race night. Would think Rob Godfrey would agree after all didn't he get Workington to move off Fridays about six years ago Shouldn’t be that controversial tbh. It’s not like NDL riders should also be running in the main leagues in Poland, Sweden, Denmark or the Premiership really, is it?! Edited August 2 by Noelinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 There is a pecking order, where seniority rules that clubs with the longest race-night tenure are more or less guaranteed their home fixtures can run unaffected. Thus, Berwick host Workington next weekend on their regular Saturday, the Comets having to move to Sunday for the return. Poole have seniority over Oxford on Wednesdays. On Fridays, Edinburgh have clear seniority, and need not move to any back-up night. Of the others, I think Scunthorpe would be next -- only yielding to the Monarchs -- while Redcar and Glasgow are fairly recent additions to Friday racing -- the Bears being forced there after losing their long-held Thursdays to the other league while Tigers chose Friday after a long run on Sundays, and a brief flirtation with Saturday. Should the Championship choose to race two-home, two away in a future season, the senior sides -- Berwick, Edinburgh and Poole -- would carry on unaffected, some of the others might lost continuity by having to hop about and have blank nights when the team are required elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarsbar2 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 55 minutes ago, crescent girl said: There is a pecking order, where seniority rules that clubs with the longest race-night tenure are more or less guaranteed their home fixtures can run unaffected. On Fridays, Edinburgh have clear seniority, and need not move to any back-up night. Of the others, I think Scunthorpe would be next -- only yielding to the Monarchs -- while Redcar and Glasgow are fairly recent additions to Friday racing -- the Bears being forced there after losing their long-held Thursdays to the other league while Tigers chose Friday after a long run on Sundays, and a brief flirtation with Saturday. You and Mr Godfrey probably think Scunthorpe have seniority over Glasgow. But Glasgow changed to Fridays in 2018 having agreed a deal with Edinburgh, opening in March. Scunthorpe then changed from Sundays for the 2018 season due to rider availability, opening in April. Had Glasgow not changed first they like Arena Essex and Workington would have been forced to move fixtures so Godfrey could get decent guests. Edited August 2 by gmarsbar2 Reduce quoted post 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: There is a pecking order, where seniority rules that clubs with the longest race-night tenure are more or less guaranteed their home fixtures can run unaffected. Thus, Berwick host Workington next weekend on their regular Saturday, the Comets having to move to Sunday for the return. Poole have seniority over Oxford on Wednesdays. On Fridays, Edinburgh have clear seniority, and need not move to any back-up night. Of the others, I think Scunthorpe would be next -- only yielding to the Monarchs -- while Redcar and Glasgow are fairly recent additions to Friday racing -- the Bears being forced there after losing their long-held Thursdays to the other league while Tigers chose Friday after a long run on Sundays, and a brief flirtation with Saturday. Should the Championship choose to race two-home, two away in a future season, the senior sides -- Berwick, Edinburgh and Poole -- would carry on unaffected, some of the others might lost continuity by having to hop about and have blank nights when the team are required elsewhere. There were surely enough blank Saturdays when the fixtures were being draw up to allow Workington to race Berwick on a Saturday. Having seniority should only apply to the meetings on the fixture list NOT restagings unless both teams agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 It would make a lot more sense to give each team an equal number of guaranteed first choice race nights, but I know that's far too simple and logical to be considered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Beirao said: All four Friday clubs had reserved dates spread throughout their fixture list but none seem to have been co-ordinated and, with a preponderance of meetings against fellow Friday nighters being postponed, very few have been used resulting in the current fixture chaos. Thrown in the fact that three of the four have an NDL side and look to run them on Fridays too and you've got the perfect storm. Controversial idea but how about making Friday an NDL free race night. Would think Rob Godfrey would agree after all didn't he get Workington to move off Fridays about six years ago Let's say for example Edinburgh can't afford to race NDL racing unless it's on a Friday. Force them to change, with them pulling out, then all of a sudden there is no NDL. Perhaps it would be better to say, you can't refuse a Championship match, just because you are racing in the NDL. So if Edinburgh had a home NDL match on a Friday, they could still race a re-arranged Champ match away at Glasgow, Redcar or Scunthorpe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, Paulco said: We coped when there was about 20 teams in our league ,and we had the fours too Years ago, British Speedway didn't have to plan fixtures around foreign meetings for a start. Before doubling up was rife, clubs could race any night of the week. Not saying I can't work now, but more fixtures isn't as simple as it was. Edited August 2 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Years ago, British Speedway didn't have to plan fixtures around foreign meetings for a start. Before doubling up was rife, clubs could race any night if the week. Not saying I can't work now, but more fixtures isn't as simple as it was. How many Championship riders rely on Championship in GB as their major earner.You might be surprised.For the sake of British Speedway we might need to call their bluff and give them an ultimatum.Quite sure a lot of them would have too think about at their level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 13 minutes ago, Fromafar said: How many Championship riders rely on Championship in GB as their major earner. You might be surprised. For the sake of British Speedway we might need to call their bluff and give them an ultimatum. Quite sure a lot of them would have too think about at their level. Can't disagree with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) If Bomber helps Workington win today (& possibly get the BP) will that help or hinder Glasgow's play-offs hopes. I think Workington are bigger rivals for 4th. Now realised Glasgow have riders guesting for both rivals, so maybe that cancels it out? Glasgow just need to tell them to avoid a draw lol! Edited August 3 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 31 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: If Bomber helps Workington win today (& possibly get the BP) will that help or hinder Glasgow's play-offs hopes. I think Workington are bigger rivals for 4th, so this could stop Glasgow reaching the top 4! And Flint as well now , its crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 18 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Let's say for example Edinburgh can't afford to race NDL racing unless it's on a Friday. Force them to change, with them pulling out, then all of a sudden there is no NDL. Perhaps it would be better to say, you can't refuse a Championship match, just because you are racing in the NDL. So if Edinburgh had a home NDL match on a Friday, they could still race a re-arranged Champ match away at Glasgow, Redcar or Scunthorpe? Yes, I see the logic in that, as long as schedule changes are in good time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: If Bomber helps Workington win today (& possibly get the BP) will that help or hinder Glasgow's play-offs hopes. I think Workington are bigger rivals for 4th. Now realised Glasgow have riders guesting for both rivals, so maybe that cancels it out? Glasgow just need to tell them to avoid a draw lol! After today's meeting at worky Glasgow will have 4 meetings in hand, so it's their play off place to lose hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) On 8/2/2024 at 6:47 PM, szkocjasid said: Let's say for example Edinburgh can't afford to race NDL racing unless it's on a Friday. Force them to change, with them pulling out, then all of a sudden there is no NDL. Perhaps it would be better to say, you can't refuse a Championship match, just because you are racing in the NDL. So if Edinburgh had a home NDL match on a Friday, they could still race a re-arranged Champ match away at Glasgow, Redcar or Scunthorpe? IF we go for 2H 2A, then Edinburgh , Scunthorpe and Redcar will all have six blank Fridays where they are away to fellow Friday nighters, enough for them to stage their NDL fixtures. QED. Edited August 4 by Beirao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paulco said: And Flint as well now , its crazy Can the sport really be taken seriously.We just have to enjoy the racing whatever Team you support.All they need now is Cami as a stand in Team Manager. Edited August 3 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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