MB723 Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Cat Rider Participates In Premiership League Average Championship League Average 1 Any rider who has been an FIM GP rider for 2 consecutive seasons within the last 5 seasons (excluding wild card riders and a reserve rider who has competed in 2 or less FIM GP rounds in any one season) 8.00 12.00 this rider would only be considered dependent on fixture clashes 2 Polish Ekstraliga with an average of 6.00 or above 7.50 11.25 this rider would only be considered dependent on fixture clashes 3 • Polish Ekstraliga with an average of between 3.00 and 5.99 • Polish League 1 with a published average of 6.00 or above 6.00 8.50 this rider would only be considered dependent on fixture clashes 4 • Polish Ekstraliga with an average of 2.99 or below • Polish League 1 with a published average of 5.99 or below • Polish League 2 with a published average of 6.00 or above • Swedish Elitserian League published average of 6.00 or above 4.50 6.00 this rider would only be considered dependent on fixture clashes 5 • Polish League 2 with a published average of 5.99 or below • Under 24 Polish League only • Swedish Elitserian League published average of 5.99 or below • Swedish Alsvensken League • Danish Super League 4.00 5.00 this rider would only be considered dependent on fixture clashes 6 Not participated in a professional league 3.50 4.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: Isn't it Brexit that has dammed the flow of new riders, rather than the SCB? Most definitely not (neither for or against brexit/politics have better things to do with my time), its the SCB that set the rules and for 2024 the "Tarresenko rule" that has clearly been hastily put together over a Wetherspoons lunch. Page 98 gives the breakdown of how the chicken bones landed on the table that day. Using Jaizers example Marcin who now rides in ekstraliga league two has a championship British average of 5.79. if he was a new assessed Pole he would now come in on an 8.5 because he rides in league one with an average over 6. As a showing of how frickin stupid this is he would come in on the exact same average as Kai Huckenbeck (Glasgow get the calculators out :) ) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 15 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Most definitely not (neither for or against brexit/politics have better things to do with my time), its the SCB that set the rules and for 2024 the "Tarresenko rule" that has clearly been hastily put together over a Wetherspoons lunch. Page 98 gives the breakdown of how the chicken bones landed on the table that day. Using Jaizers example Marcin who now rides in ekstraliga league two has a championship British average of 5.79. if he was a new assessed Pole he would now come in on an 8.5 because he rides in league one with an average over 6. As a showing of how frickin stupid this is he would come in on the exact same average as Kai Huckenbeck (Glasgow get the calculators out ) The shortsightedness is absolutely bonkers. There is a shortage of riders available to championship clubs (ask Redcar/ Workington when looking for their last signings) but essentially every rider of a reasonable standard in Poland is a write off. Unless you're prepared to bring a couple in and let them get new averages and have a write off of a season. Not many would do what Peter Waite did with the the 3 Czechs on 9 point averages! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Some good riders in the U24 Polish League, you've got Francis Gusts and Emil Breum who might come in on a 5.00 since it doesn't look like they've qualified this year for a 6.00. Whether they'd want to is a differet question but a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 2 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Most definitely not (neither for or against brexit/politics have better things to do with my time), its the SCB that set the rules and for 2024 the "Tarresenko rule" that has clearly been hastily put together over a Wetherspoons lunch. Page 98 gives the breakdown of how the chicken bones landed on the table that day. Using Jaizers example Marcin who now rides in ekstraliga league two has a championship British average of 5.79. if he was a new assessed Pole he would now come in on an 8.5 because he rides in league one with an average over 6. As a showing of how frickin stupid this is he would come in on the exact same average as Kai Huckenbeck (Glasgow get the calculators out ) Where Brexit doesn’t help is in the added cost and time for European riders who now need a visa so while not directly ruling them out if it takes 4 weeks and £2k to sort then it certainly impacts mid season or short term changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 What about the son of one of your old top riders (not lawson) Frazer Bowes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 11 minutes ago, Neila said: What about the son of one of your old top riders (not lawson) Frazer Bowes ? Said it for years not sure he's really kicked on though. Scores well in the u24 league though. If was me I'd fancy the Norwegian pollestad, 19 plenty potential there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 6 hours ago, Jaizer said: The shortsightedness is absolutely bonkers. There is a shortage of riders available to championship clubs (ask Redcar/ Workington when looking for their last signings) but essentially every rider of a reasonable standard in Poland is a write off. Unless you're prepared to bring a couple in and let them get new averages and have a write off of a season. Not many would do what Peter Waite did with the the 3 Czechs on 9 point averages! Agreed the taresenko transfer was crazy on a 5, but if a rider has set foot in the u24's he's now a 5 which is madness. The under 24's is just a test pot for Ekstraliga teams to find their next 6 and 7. Having seen the quality of racing in Poland the Ekstraliga 2 is somewhere between championship and premiership. But tarring them all with 6's and 8.5's is madness. I completely agree that there has to be some conversion, but do it based on their actual average not on under or over a 6 points average. That would be the same as saying Leon flint and bomber Harris should have the same converted average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 6 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Agreed the taresenko transfer was crazy on a 5, but if a rider has set foot in the u24's he's now a 5 which is madness. The under 24's is just a test pot for Ekstraliga teams to find their next 6 and 7. Yet somehow Celina Liebmann signed on a 4 average not 5? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 56 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Yet somehow Celina Liebmann signed on a 4 average not 5? Gets a reduction for being a lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Yet somehow Celina Liebmann signed on a 4 average not 5? Never turned a wheel for Gorzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Never turned a wheel for Gorzo. Apart from 21 rides in the six matches she rode in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 9 hours ago, Neila said: Gets a reduction for being a lady Just think she should be treated the same as male riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Apart from 21 rides in the six matches she rode in. Was this in 2023 ? There's only been 4 meetings this year and she hasn't ridden in any of them? Edit, it was 2023 I stand corrected. Edit 2, so why did she come in on a 4 and not a 5 or did the taresenko rule only come in for the class of 2024? Edited May 17 by Cast1rn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Was this in 2023 ? There's only been 4 meetings this year and she hasn't ridden in any of them? Edit, it was 2023 I stand corrected. Edit 2, so why did she come in on a 4 and not a 5 or did the taresenko rule only come in for the class of 2024? I honestly believe they relaxed / ignored the rule, because the Championship / British Speedway on the whole wanted the publicity of having a female racer Edited May 17 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 My only guess would be she got an average before the new rule kicked in. Maybe she inquired about her average last season but never ended up getting a team place but got to keep the average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 38 minutes ago, MB723 said: My only guess would be she got an average before the new rule kicked in. Maybe she inquired about her average last season but never ended up getting a team place but got to keep the average? If that's the ruling, Glasgow should look to sign an U24 league rider on a 4.00 average & when it's rejected, get the lawyers to point out Workington signed a 4.00 rider under the same circumstances! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Just think she should be treated the same as male riders. Was a joke comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: If that's the ruling, Glasgow should look to sign an U24 league rider on a 4.00 average & when it's rejected, get the lawyers to point out Workington signed a 4.00 rider under the same circumstances! You're absolutely correct but Workington have had alot of extra benefits afforded to them by the bspl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2ohh Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, lewy said: You're absolutely correct but Workington have had alot of extra benefits afforded to them by the bspl. err , go on then . please tell us more of any benefits that we gained fron the top b,nannas . do tell us more . facts only please BTW, celina is averaging 3.62 from an assesed 4.00 ave . shame some teams cant/wont think outside the box and still tryi to buy the league . Edited May 18 by j2ohh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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