snapper Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I keep reading this and I always have the same thought.....a club like Glasgow with a good racetrack moving up would enhance the Prem, so even if one considered the top league to be 'inferior' it would be less so with Glasgow in it. You'd have seven in each division and a more even spread of the better circuits. Plus why would you not want to see the likes of Emil, Doyle, Bewley, Holder, Tai, Laguta, Lambert etc on a regular basis? Biggest issue I can see is race night I think Friday works best for the Glasgow crowd. I don’t mind the odd off night but wouldn’t want Monday and Thursday to be our regular race night 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I keep reading this and I always have the same thought.....a club like Glasgow with a good racetrack moving up would enhance the Prem, so even if one considered the top league to be 'inferior' it would be less so with Glasgow in it. You'd have seven in each division and a more even spread of the better circuits. Plus why would you not want to see the likes of Emil, Doyle, Bewley, Holder, Tai, Laguta, Lambert etc on a regular basis? Looking at that list, I can think of at least 2 reasons!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jaizer said: As the fog clears from my hangover, had a thought. Do Poole fans think that by choosing the easy group in the play offs may have affected them? Glasgow were battle hardened from 2 tough matches with Oxford and fighting back from 10-2 down at Redcar. Whereas scunny at home apart Poole cruised through. Son of god's move on Lee apart I don't recall any all out going for gaps you might expect from a team behind in a play off final It would have made no difference. As soon as Glasgow signed the ringer, the title was theirs. It made no difference which teams Poole had picked. Glasgow upgraded from a rider lucky to get a couple of points away, to a rider who topped the averages, on what, 9.4? . A second string no hoper to an Extraleague heat leader on a “legit” 5 points. From that moment the title was decided and no team, Oxford or Poole, could compete with a team who had got a huge points injection. It was “within the rules”, no matter how ridiculous the rules are for allowing an assessed 5 point premier league rider into the Championship in the same average, so Glasgow did nothing wrong, but as a competition, the Championship as a competition was at that moment killed stone dead. Edited October 12, 2023 by Steve Shovlar 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: It would have made no difference. As soon as Glasgow signed the ringer, the title was theirs. It made no difference which teams Poole had picked. Glasgow upgraded from a rider lucky to get a couple of points away, to a rider who topped the averages, on what, 9.4? . A second string no hoper to an Extraleague heat leader on a “legit” 5 points. From that moment the title was decided and no team, Oxford or Poole, could compete with a team who had got a huge points injection. It was “within the rules”, no matter how ridiculous the rules are for allowing an assessed 5 point premier league rider into the Championship in the same average, so Glasgow did nothing wrong, but as a competition, the Championship as a competition was at that moment killed stone dead. What happened to not talking about it? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jaizer said: What happened to not talking about it? The sour grapes are coming out gradually 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, lewy said: The sour grapes are coming out gradually A massive big box of grapes I think the shock of defeat has just worn off Steve now and normal service has resumed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Jaizer said: What happened to not talking about it? You asked the question. I gave the answer. Though I gave it the day Tarasenko was signed. I wrote, on the Glasgow 2023 thread, Posted August 24 Ridiculous that Tarasenko has the same 5 average in both Premier and Championship. There’s really no doubt whatsoever that Glasgow with this signing will win the Championship this season. They won’t need decent reserves as the top 5 will be overpowering. It’s a signing similar to Lambert coming into BV last season to win the playoffs for them. But if it is within the rules, then so be it. Edited October 12, 2023 by Steve Shovlar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 To be fair , Shovvy said it weeks ago and said it before the second leg. And he has been pretty gracious in defeat I would say. And so he should be as Poole down the years have pulled many strokes over the course of a season!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Looking at that list, I can think of at least 2 reasons!! Everyone has riders they do and don't like but if a promotion has ambition and the financial means to stage top flight speedway then the opportunity to see world class riders every home meeting is a no brainer. Especially round a track like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Don't be put off too soon, you might only be able to watch your lot on Eurosport next year!! Ha ha. BSN cover prem as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: It would have made no difference. As soon as Glasgow signed the ringer, the title was theirs. It made no difference which teams Poole had picked. Glasgow upgraded from a rider lucky to get a couple of points away, to a rider who topped the averages, on what, 9.4? . A second string no hoper to an Extraleague heat leader on a “legit” 5 points. From that moment the title was decided and no team, Oxford or Poole, could compete with a team who had got a huge points injection. It was “within the rules”, no matter how ridiculous the rules are for allowing an assessed 5 point premier league rider into the Championship in the same average, so Glasgow did nothing wrong, but as a competition, the Championship as a competition was at that moment killed stone dead. I know its been difficult for you and I can understand your frustration but thought I'd add some facts to your emotional outbursts. From the BSPL web site, Marcin Nowak's Rolling Average from 14 meetings was 7.16. His real average (not Green Sheet) based on his 10 meetings this year was 6.70. His home average was 6.30 and his away average was 7.25. Now do you really think these are the figures of a "no hoper"? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Pinny said: To be fair , Shovvy said it weeks ago and said it before the second leg. And he has been pretty gracious in defeat I would say. And so he should be as Poole down the years have pulled many strokes over the course of a season!! But nothing like bringing in a 5 point ringer just before the playoffs. Or like when Coventry brought in Shamek then avoided him getting an official average by saying he was sick/injured so he was at reserve for the playoff final and rattled off an 18 max.. Poole just build rock solid teams year after year without the shinanigans. Last year the Premier league became a joke with ringer Lambert coming in for BV. Within the rules but stunk the place out. Danny and Matt knew the rule was there, though it never should have been. Would they have sacked either Anders or Kyle to bring in Tarasenko? No. There’s winning and there’s winning. Like I have always said, Glasgow did no wrong as it was ridiculously within the rules, but it ended the league comp stone dead back in August. Edited October 12, 2023 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: But nothing like bringing in a 5 point ringer just before the playoffs. Or like when Coventry brought in Shamek then avoided him getting an official average by saying he was sick/injured so he was at reserve for the playoff final and rattled off an 18 max.. Poole just build rock solid teams year after year without the shinanigans. Last year the Premier league became a joke with ringer Lambert coming in for BV. Within the rules but stunk the place out. Danny and Matt knew the rule was there, though it never should have been. Would they have sacked either Anders or Kyle to bring in Tarasenko? No. There’s winning and there’s winning. Like I have always said, Glasgow did no wrong as it was ridiculously within the rules, but it ended the league comp stone dead back in August. I think Poole are running the club on a tighter budget these days. If Tarasenko was willing to ride for the same money as Rowe or Kyle then absolutely they would of signed him, assuming they knew he was available and able to be signed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, SharpenRake said: I know its been difficult for you and I can understand your frustration but thought I'd add some facts to your emotional outbursts. From the BSPL web site, Marcin Nowak's Rolling Average from 14 meetings was 7.16. His real average (not Green Sheet) based on his 10 meetings this year was 6.70. His home average was 6.30 and his away average was 7.25. Now do you really think these are the figures of a "no hoper"? Harsh calling him a no hoper. But that was what he was at Poole. 2.. Marcin Nowak - 0,0,0 = 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: But nothing like bringing in a 5 point ringer just before the playoffs. Or like when Coventry brought in Shamek then avoided him getting an official average by saying he was sick/injured so he was at reserve for the playoff final and rattled off an 18 max.. Poole just build rock solid teams year after year without the shinanigans. Last year the Premier league became a joke with ringer Lambert coming in for BV. Within the rules but stunk the place out. Danny and Matt knew the rule was there, though it never should have been. Would they have sacked either Anders or Kyle to bring in Tarasenko? No. There’s winning and there’s winning. Like I have always said, Glasgow did no wrong as it was ridiculously within the rules, but it ended the league comp stone dead back in August. You should be suicide watch after last nights defeat.IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pinny said: I think Poole are running the club on a tighter budget these days. If Tarasenko was willing to ride for the same money as Rowe or Kyle then absolutely they would have signed him, assuming they knew he was available and able to be signed. You think Tarasenko was on the same money as Nowak? Treble it and half way there. Big money. Poole definitely run within budget. Not run to lose money. Edited October 12, 2023 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You should be suicide watch after last nights defeat.IMO Not upset at all as writing was on the wall back in August. Edited October 12, 2023 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: You think Tarasenko was on the same money as Nowak? Treble it and half way there. Big money. Hence why I said Poole are running on a tighter budget these days therefore wouldn't of splashed the cash on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Pinny said: Hence why I said Poole are running on a tighter budget these days therefore wouldn't have splashed the cash on him. The Glasgow owners are happy to run at a loss. Most other promotions are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 I can't add any more reactions but if I could some would have been "likes" and some "laughs" I'll leave it to everyone to work out which comments they would have been for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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