Bellers101 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 5 hours ago, marko said: It really doesn’t matter because bar their away matches as they won’t be racing at home on account that track is built on marshland which means they have trouble getting meetings on in the height of summer, never mind April. Why on earth would BSN opt to show a meeting from their this early in the season knowing it’s very likely to be canned 24 hours in advance. Said last season BSN should give the place a wide berth considering the number of calls offs they have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 It’s a sad state of affairs for the league and speedway in this country, not a solely Plymouth issue when a team is starting a brand new season with only 6 of their 7 permitted riders. Guests are the bane of the sport and it just gives a complete unprofessional look. The fact that teams and rule makers havn’t already come to this conclusion in advance that in the event of injury, there isn’t enough riders to cover and go round is the biggest worry of them all. This has now happened for at least 2 seasons for multiple teams but instead of doing anything about it, just continue to plow on with the farcical guest situation. The Premiership has started to get its act together and is becoming more professional and things are being put in place to make an overall better product - The Championship is being left behind massively. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 12 hours ago, arnieg said: Read my post again, slowly this time. Or do you think Landshurt and Daugavpils are now in Poland? A bit pedantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Najjer said: It’s a sad state of affairs for the league and speedway in this country, not a solely Plymouth issue when a team is starting a brand new season with only 6 of their 7 permitted riders. Guests are the bane of the sport and it just gives a complete unprofessional look. The fact that teams and rule makers havn’t already come to this conclusion in advance that in the event of injury, there isn’t enough riders to cover and go round is the biggest worry of them all. This has now happened for at least 2 seasons for multiple teams but instead of doing anything about it, just continue to plow on with the farcical guest situation. The Premiership has started to get its act together and is becoming more professional and things are being put in place to make an overall better product - The Championship is being left behind massively. Can I ask what your solution would be if you were in charge?…..not being funny……interested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 38 minutes ago, tyretrax said: A bit pedantic. Not really to be fair, it was a factual statement that there’s only four Polish teams in the bottom division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 10 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Not really to be fair, it was a factual statement that there’s only four Polish teams in the bottom division. But six teams in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 12 hours ago, ragdoll64 said: Can I ask what your solution would be if you were in charge?…..not being funny……interested. 6 man teams instead of 7 - that is the first solution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 4 hours ago, Najjer said: 6 man teams instead of 7 - that is the first solution With a fit for purpose RR facility another to add to the solution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 10 hours ago, Najjer said: 6 man teams instead of 7 - that is the first solution Everybody's got a great plan, a superb solution. Until they get punched in the nose. What happens when you have two six-man teams, each using r/r, and there's a four-man pile-up in Heats 1 or 2? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, crescent girl said: Everybody's got a great plan, a superb solution. Until they get punched in the nose. What happens when you have two six-man teams, each using r/r, and there's a four-man pile-up in Heats 1 or 2? What happens when you have two seven man teams, not even using RR, and there's a four-man pile up in Heats 1 or 2? It's then five a side.... And if they are using RR it then becomes four a side (exactly as it would with six man teams).. However, as four man pile ups occur once every Preston Guild, the vast majority of meetings would never be impacted.. And if it does then "tough luck, but guess what? That is sport"... And, if you run six man (I mean rider teams, sorry Celina) you would then have "subs on the bench" to come in and not need RR in the first place.. The issue facing the sport is too few riders being available at the right ability level that Div 2 want to race at... Div 1 are "just about" getting away with it by having only seven teams in the league.. Any more and they would struggle too... Edited March 30 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: What happens when you have two seven man teams, not even using RR, and there's a four-man pile up in Heats 1 or 2? It's then five a side.... And if they are using RR it then becomes four a side (exactly as it would with six man teams).. However, as four man pile ups occur once every Preston Guild, the vast majority of meetings would never be impacted.. And if it does then "tough luck, but guess what? That is sport"... And, if you run six man (I mean rider teams, sorry Celina) you would then have "subs on the bench" to come in and not need RR in the first place.. The issue facing the sport is too few riders being available at the right ability level that Div 2 want to race at... Div 1 are "just about" getting away with it by having only seven teams in the league.. Any more and they would struggle too... Well, l disagree, but that's what a forum's for..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 If my memory serves me right, the 1996 conference league which Arena Essex was in, only consisted of six man teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 9:06 AM, Najjer said: It’s a sad state of affairs for the league and speedway in this country, not a solely Plymouth issue when a team is starting a brand new season with only 6 of their 7 permitted riders. Guests are the bane of the sport and it just gives a complete unprofessional look. The fact that teams and rule makers havn’t already come to this conclusion in advance that in the event of injury, there isn’t enough riders to cover and go round is the biggest worry of them all. This has now happened for at least 2 seasons for multiple teams but instead of doing anything about it, just continue to plow on with the farcical guest situation. The Premiership has started to get its act together and is becoming more professional and things are being put in place to make an overall better product - The Championship is being left behind massively. Is it only me that feels a tad sympathetic towards Plymouth? They sign a 7 MSN team and through no fault of their own the number 1 is injured pre season. As a result of moving to Saturday race night there are few, if any, suitable replacements. I wonder if it would have been easier to get a replacement for Tuesdays? They do a load of work on the track, and are met with a very wet winter, meaning, perhaps unsurprisingly, it hasn't dried out in time. Who'd be a promoter in a sport that is not a great money earner if not a loss maker? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 29 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said: Is it only me that feels a tad sympathetic towards Plymouth? They sign a 7 MSN team and through no fault of their own the number 1 is injured pre season. As a result of moving to Saturday race night there are few, if any, suitable replacements. I wonder if it would have been easier to get a replacement for Tuesdays? They do a load of work on the track, and are met with a very wet winter, meaning, perhaps unsurprisingly, it hasn't dried out in time. Who'd be a promoter in a sport that is not a great money earner if not a loss maker? I admit when we started the track work back in October, we had some nice weather and we were cracking on with everything nicely, then the weather changed and we've had to endure the wettest winter for 250years apparently. Definitely effected moral, then losing nico through no fault of our own was very disappointing however we have stuck to it and I reckon it will pay off in the long run. We might not be fancied for any success, but we won't stop trying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, marko said: If my memory serves me right, the 1996 conference league which Arena Essex was in, only consisted of six man teams. The Elite League & Premier league had 6 man teams in 1997, with the Elite continuing this in 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimmy Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 9:06 AM, Najjer said: It’s a sad state of affairs for the league and speedway in this country, not a solely Plymouth issue when a team is starting a brand new season with only 6 of their 7 permitted riders. Guests are the bane of the sport and it just gives a complete unprofessional look. The fact that teams and rule makers havn’t already come to this conclusion in advance that in the event of injury, there isn’t enough riders to cover and go round is the biggest worry of them all. This has now happened for at least 2 seasons for multiple teams but instead of doing anything about it, just continue to plow on with the farcical guest situation. The Premiership has started to get its act together and is becoming more professional and things are being put in place to make an overall better product - The Championship is being left behind massively. Really..I would like to think that most speedway fans turn up to watch good speedway and not fret whether they have guests or not and aren’t really talking about the championship being left behind..just enjoy the entertainment that’s on offer and try to be happy 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 The amount of guests pale into comparison with the number that double up and I think the latter is far more detrimental to the way the sport looks to outsiders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 9:06 AM, Najjer said: It’s a sad state of affairs for the league and speedway in this country, not a solely Plymouth issue when a team is starting a brand new season with only 6 of their 7 permitted riders. Guests are the bane of the sport and it just gives a complete unprofessional look. The fact that teams and rule makers havn’t already come to this conclusion in advance that in the event of injury, there isn’t enough riders to cover and go round is the biggest worry of them all. This has now happened for at least 2 seasons for multiple teams but instead of doing anything about it, just continue to plow on with the farcical guest situation. The Premiership has started to get its act together and is becoming more professional and things are being put in place to make an overall better product - The Championship is being left behind massively. So the 'Premiership has started to get its act together'?! Brum sign Nicholls as a temp replacement for the not yet used Pawlicki and Ippo use Nicholls twice as guest for Doyle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: So the 'Premiership has started to get its act together'?! Brum sign Nicholls as a temp replacement for the not yet used Pawlicki and Ippo use Nicholls twice as guest for Doyle. Signing a temp to replacement for an injured rider is what every club should strive to do, means less guests, not sure how that isn't "getting its act together". As for Nicholls guesting for Doyle, this happens every week, nothing unusual about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: So the 'Premiership has started to get its act together'?! Brum sign Nicholls as a temp replacement for the not yet used Pawlicki and Ippo use Nicholls twice as guest for Doyle. Ah yes, a temp replacement like all teams should strive to do once an injury occurs, the opposite to what Plymouth have been able to achieve in this scenario. Nicholls guested once for Doyle (not twice) due to his wife being in labour, which is as good as an excuse you will get. For what it’s worth, if I was setting the rules then if only one rider is missing then it should be RR and no guests. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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