FAST GATER Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 hours ago, chunky said: Pedersen. Doyle IMO these riders( both have been WC there is no doubting their ability ) are not what I want to see in the sport and I hope that the next generation move on from this type of riding I am not against robust actions but don't like the fact these riders trade on fear , I often think riders who adopt this attitude are making up for a lack of skill /ability to some extent . The sport is dangerous enough without riders almost deliberately setting out fence another rider ,there are always going to be occasions when mistakes are made riders knock others off but not just because they won't allow another rider past there is blocking and there are deliberate actions that can lead to carnage plus serious career ending injury . It seems ironic that both of the above riders have had a number of serious injuries during their careers ,I just wonder how many they would of had if they had not adopted this IMO overly aggresssive riding style and how many WC titles NP would have won . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Pedersen was brilliant , gave it his all on track and was a huge hit with the fans. Yes, he was ruthless and dirty but he himself was a victim of many bad moves even early on in his career. Everyone wanted to watch him, whether it was to watch him win or watch him get beaten. He was box office. the series could do with a prime Nicki P in it now , thats for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Pinny said: the series could do with a prime Nicki P in it now , thats for sure. Could do with a prime Gollob / Rickardsson / Crump also. Nicki P was box office and was the reason he was so doted at Eastbourne Eagles. Out and out #1 was a hard rider and wanted to win. He probably saw the opportunity that the angry man bed persona could make him box office or more money. From experiences of my family bumping into him at Cardiff he seems a very open and polite imdividual - Polar opposite to his mantra once in kevlars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 I don't think Pedersen's reputation is totally justified, others have pulled many similar moves it's just he was so high profile and Nicki bashing 'caught on'. Hans A was very hard with riding others to the fence or dive bombing (one time at Reading I recall he did it about three times, causing another to fall or seriously get in trouble), as was Gollob - remember Boycie's golden moment? The fact we're still talking about them shows how they're missed in my view. Oh and yes, Nicki's a lovely fella to talk to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerM22 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Can't help but to love Nicki really, he's pure entertainment. I think he started off with his hard riding purely because he was desperate to win. After that he just enjoyed the hate. The truth is that he's been more successful (in a lot of ways) than some of his rivals will ever be - he knows it and they know it. Speedway legend without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 20, 2023 Report Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just seen this on TwitterX: https://x.com/zmarzlik95/status/1715322977917546561?s=20 Looks like Bartek is on some kind of Orlen promotional day with Robert Kubica... the daft thing is though is he's wearing his "Infinite Reality" SGP race suit and not his "Orlen" one he got thrown out of the Danish GP for!!! Hope he doesn't lose his Orlen sponsorship over this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 15, 2023 Report Share Posted November 15, 2023 On 10/20/2023 at 3:30 PM, iainb said: Just seen this on TwitterX: https://x.com/zmarzlik95/status/1715322977917546561?s=20 Looks like Bartek is on some kind of Orlen promotional day with Robert Kubica... the daft thing is though is he's wearing his "Infinite Reality" SGP race suit and not his "Orlen" one he got thrown out of the Danish GP for!!! Hope he doesn't lose his Orlen sponsorship over this one Has Orlen in massive print on the suit?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 15, 2023 Report Share Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Has Orlen in massive print on the suit?!? I know... I can see that. That is not the race suit he was thrown out of the GP for wearing though, that is the one he should have been wearing. The one he wore that got him excluded had Orlen on his chest in the most prominent position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted November 15, 2023 Report Share Posted November 15, 2023 He does seem to be able to figure out the dirt line and make it work later in the meeting. Early on the track is fresher and the inside line generally advantageous. As the dirt builds up on the outside it favours the brave and the skilled who can ride the berm. Its the dirt that generates the speed and he is the master of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 The change of point scoring system in the GPs has taken away the importance of squeezing every point out of a meeting and placed the emphasis on reaching and winning finals. Therefore it’s no coincidence that Zmarzlik does what he needs to in the heats and then comes on strong for the clutch heats. IMO the scoring system should be changed back. It puts more jeopardy on every race of the series for each rider. In theory that would produce more competitive racing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Ben91 said: The change of point scoring system in the GPs has taken away the importance of squeezing every point out of a meeting and placed the emphasis on reaching and winning finals. Therefore it’s no coincidence that Zmarzlik does what he needs to in the heats and then comes on strong for the clutch heats. IMO the scoring system should be changed back. It puts more jeopardy on every race of the series for each rider. In theory that would produce more competitive racing. IMO he would win whatever the scoring system ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: IMO he would win whatever the scoring system ! You’re not wrong there. Head and shoulders the best rider in the world right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, FAST GATER said: IMO he would win whatever the scoring system ! I agree he probably still win.He is comfort mode most of the meeting with present point scoring system though.Every point should count IMO 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 17 hours ago, Fromafar said: I agree he probably still win.He is comfort mode most of the meeting with present point scoring system though.Every point should count IMO Every point does count when trying to make the semis?!? There's no system that Zmarzlik wouldn't make a semi final with. Everyone else just needs to be better & rough him up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Daniel Smith said: Every point does count when trying to make the semis?!? There's no system that Zmarzlik wouldn't make a semi final with. Everyone else just needs to be better & rough him up a bit. It doesn’t count overall though,you just have to make semi to keep yourself in with a chance of getting to Final which is what matter regarding title.Maybe making every point count and just giving a few bonus points for Final would keep more riders in the running though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 i just wonder how Zmarzlik has so much speed compared to others ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 9:12 PM, stevehone said: i just wonder how Zmarzlik has so much speed compared to others ... He’s not breaking track records,so maybe his set-up and skill comes into play.Whatever it is ,it’s good too watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 5:29 PM, Fromafar said: He’s not breaking track records,so maybe his set-up and skill comes into play.Whatever it is ,it’s good too watch. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 23, 2023 Report Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Smith said: Every point does count when trying to make the semis?!? There's no system that Zmarzlik wouldn't make a semi final with. Everyone else just needs to be better & rough him up a bit. Every point up to 8, sometimes 9 counts. Beyond that why take unnecessary risks. It’s not about finding a system that penalises Zmarzlik, it’s about the fact that a perfectly good system for ensuring every single race mattered was replaced with one where the individual heats aren’t as important as the semis and final. Zmarzlik is the best rider in the world. All the conspiracy theories (especially those suggesting he only wins because most of the rounds are in Poland) are frankly a load of BS. He’s just head and shoulders above the competition and knows when the right time to turn it on is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 1:47 PM, Ben91 said: He’s just head and shoulders above the competition and knows when the right time to turn it on is. That's a perfect summation ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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