Brummies

[HGould]

24 minutes ago, Deano said:

The million dollar question is, do the decision makers around the availability of the stadium deliberately wait until after the BSPA meeting. It seems every year lately we are awaiting on a decision by the land lords and seem to either be on some kind of life line. It's like someone somewhere really does want Birmingham speedway to fail.

Can understand the logic. 

However ARC have made a long term decision to move their operation to a far more salubrious venue over which they have long term control and potential. 

Corbally are sat on a piece of land in a prime location with development opportunities where the leaseholder has walked and the sub tenant cannot take over financially as the leaseholder. 

There is no other credible leaseholder. 

The Council have been bankrupted by central Government underfunding and 2 decades of mismanagement locally by both political parties and a local Mayor who is just interested in photo opportunities and his own reelection which is unlikely

A perfect storm sadly with Speedway as the biggest loser as the other parties will most likely get what they want in the medium term. Speedway gets nothing and Mr Tolley loses a lot of money and a lot of effort. 

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Deano said:

We need to keep the stox and other motor sports options open, like speedway they aren't every week these days, stox could fill some of those quiet speedway weeks. Has the wheels gone yet? There's a motorsports complex under a risk of development why not push for the council to bring it to PB. Yes planning will be tough, but the covenent and the hi fact the council need cash, corbally need the income could help that case.

Wheels is being levelled and lots of other land round it bought up. 

Strong local suspicion is its Knighthead, the new Owners of Bitminghan City Fc. They are in conversations with City Council to take on the site, pay for decontamination and build a 62500 roofed arena for sports, concerts etc including a secondary athletics stadia for major events and ladies football etc

Thats a 3 to 5 year plan. 

Wheels as a stox venue won't exist if  not already gone in reality. 

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[Deano]

I wonder what the odds are Corbally wanting to re-negotiate the lease? With their main income going and the Olympic village white elephant across the road, the chances of development are slim.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Deano

[Fromafar]

What ever way you look at it,it is a big financial gamble for the Promotion given previous history.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Fromafar

[kitten2502]

6 hours ago, Deano said:

We need to keep the stox and other motor sports options open, like speedway they aren't every week these days, stox could fill some of those quiet speedway weeks. Has the wheels gone yet? There's a motorsports complex under a risk of development why not push for the council to bring it to PB. Yes planning will be tough, but the covenent and the fact the council need cash, corbally need the income could help that case.

I would think obtaining planning permission for stox is already dead in the water. As for any covenant, there is apparently absolutely no evidence of it - if it ever existed - seems to be an urban myth.

[noaksey]

Tolley in the Star has heard nothing from the stadium and admits time is running out now as Brum have to declare at the AGM which is now less than a week away 

[Jaizer]

22 minutes ago, noaksey said:

Tolley in the Star has heard nothing from the stadium and admits time is running out now as Brum have to declare at the AGM which is now less than a week away 

Didn't Kent and Plymouth in recent years not declare to run until late in year or into the new year? Surely if there's a possibility of Brum running they should keep place open as long as possible 

[noaksey]

2 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

Didn't Kent and Plymouth in recent years not declare to run until late in year or into the new year? Surely if there's a possibility of Brum running they should keep place open as long as possible 

The article says they've been told they have to declare by then so presumably they'll stick to that.

Late declaration would be no good to Brum either as anyone decent would be signed up already by other teams and Brum have been in that boat before 

[szkocjasid]

48 minutes ago, noaksey said:

The article says they've been told they have to declare by then so presumably they'll stick to that.

Late declaration would be no good to Brum either as anyone decent would be signed up already by other teams and Brum have been in that boat before 

The Premiership needs Birmingham much more than Birmingham needs the Premiership imo. The other clubs are likely to want to avoid a 5 team league at all costs. So hypothetically Brummies could say we'll ride under the following conditions XYZ?

[noaksey]

1 minute ago, szkocjasid said:

The Premiership needs Birmingham much more than Birmingham needs the Premiership imo. The other clubs are likely to want to avoid a 5 team league at all costs. So hypothetically Brummies could say we'll ride under the following conditions XYZ?

They won't be able to give any commitment without a written agreement from the stadium I'd imagine as there'd be financial implications if they subsequently withdraw

The major issue with waiting is that they can't build a team and anyone decent will have signed elsewhere, he mentions this as a concern in the Star

[HGould]

Isn't it part of the Discovery deal that PL has to have a bare minimum of 6 Clubs? 

Glasgow have said no, Oxford can't as race nights not available. 

I've said for weeks Poole may have to step up to save the deal. 

[kitten2502]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

The major issue with waiting is that they can't build a team and anyone decent will have signed elsewhere, he mentions this as a concern in the Star

In regards to team building it's probably already too late......

[mac101]

maybe peterborough might get another year 

[LisaColette]

5 minutes ago, mac101 said:

maybe peterborough might get another year 

I am assuming that is what the upcoming announcement is. 

[mikebv]

3 hours ago, noaksey said:

Tolley in the Star has heard nothing from the stadium and admits time is running out now as Brum have to declare at the AGM which is now less than a week away 

They need to declare by then so the fixture compilers can complete the fixture list..

Having five, instead of six teams, in the league, will mean that they need to plan in a completely different number of weeks' extension to the season....

[LisaColette]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

Isn't it part of the Discovery deal that PL has to have a bare minimum of 6 Clubs? 

Glasgow have said no, Oxford can't as race nights not available. 

I've said for weeks Poole may have to step up to save the deal. 

If Oxford can't move up cos of race nights, how are Poole going to? It is the same race night! 

[noaksey]

12 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

If Oxford can't move up cos of race nights, how are Poole going to? It is the same race night! 

Presumably Oxford physically can't run on Thursdays but Poole can if they choose to?

[Deano]

6 hours ago, kitten2502 said:

I would think obtaining planning permission for stox is already dead in the water. As for any covenant, there is apparently absolutely no evidence of it - if it ever existed - seems to be an urban myth.

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/87351-birmingham-brummies-2019/&do=findComment&comment=3271545

i guess we need to hunt down the Alexander family.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Deano

[HGould]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

If Oxford can't move up cos of race nights, how are Poole going to? It is the same race night! 

Noaksy answers that perfectly

Poole could, Oxford can't. 

[kitten2502]

1 hour ago, Deano said:

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/87351-birmingham-brummies-2019/&do=findComment&comment=3271545

i guess we need to hunt down the Alexander family.

It has been thoroughly investigated by one of the consortium.