Cast1rn Posted October 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I think the limit should be 40 or 39 to build a bigger gap between Prem & Champ and most importantly lessen the gap between Champ & NL. However if the NL disappears with Mildenhall & Workington stepping up, think it would have to be even lower so the strength is half way between Champ & NL level. If the likes of Oxford, Poole & Glasgow want to sign top riders, they'll have to move up a league Well at least they have a few days in Tenerife to figure it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I think the limit should be 40 or 39 to build a bigger gap between Prem & Champ and most importantly lessen the gap between Champ & NL. However if the NL disappears with Mildenhall & Workington stepping up, think it would have to be even lower so the strength is half way between Champ & NL level. If the likes of Oxford, Poole & Glasgow want to sign top riders, they'll have to move up a league No team is going to agree to go to a higher division if its not financially viable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: No team is going to agree to go to a higher division if its not financially viable. Watering the Championship down won’t improve the the sport in GB.It’s overpriced as it is unless admission is reduced(highly unlikely ) it certain won’t attract new fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted October 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: No team is going to agree to go to a higher division if its not financially viable. Can you put an exciting 1-7 together on 36 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 27 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Can you put an exciting 1-7 together on 36 points? Doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 47 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Can you put an exciting 1-7 together on 36 points? You'll love me and hate me... Chris Harris 9.04 Claus Vissing 6.24 Connor Mountain 5.28 Connor Bailey 5.23 Bastian Borke 3.86 Ace Pijper 3.17 Nathan Ablitt 2.93 This comes to 35.74. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted October 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Noelinho said: You'll love me and hate me... Chris Harris 9.04 Claus Vissing 6.24 Connor Mountain 5.28 Connor Bailey 5.23 Bastian Borke 3.86 Ace Pijper 3.17 Nathan Ablitt 2.93 This comes to 35.74. And that's what your £20 will get you compared to what you got for the exact same money this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Yeah, it decimates the riders currently at 3 and 5. And the number 1 won’t have much entertainment value, because they’ll be so far ahead. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Lowering the points limit could improve the racing, if it led to the top riders missing out on the Champ. Currently the 2.00 reserves are miles away from the Masters & Douglas standard riders. But if the 8.00 heat leaders become the top men, then there is a smaller gap between top & bottom riders, so the racing should be closer. Should help NL riders stepping up having more riders nearer their ability to attempt to beat. However of it leads to lots of 4-6 point riders being dropped and teams running with strong top ends & 4 reserves, then the gap is bigger & racing more processional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 19 hours ago, Cast1rn said: It's more of an opposite, if you want to keep your Harris' Masters' Kings, Wright's Lawson's and Worrals then the rest of the team will be massively reduced in strength. But again will have to see what they promoters come up with in Tenerife, if it's 36 points will fans be happy to pay £20 a ticket to see an incredibly diluted product. From 2022-2023 they dropped it by two points and virtually every team took a two pointer #7, if it drops from that by another 4 points God help us. While 40 points was the team build limit, by the end of the season team averages are again centering on 42, so 36 is a 6 point drop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, Beirao said: While 40 points was the team build limit, by the end of the season team averages are again centering on 42, so 36 is a 6 point drop. But it won't happen without some sort of limit on heatleader strength. History shows that it is almost always the 5 point riders who get dropped for even weaker 2.00 reserves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 There's about 12 riders on or around the 7-8 mark, which will miss out in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) Keep it at 40 and leave it for another 2/3 seasons, will always be good and bad teams put together and some riders will miss out, but at least clubs and fans will know at the end of the seasons what's happening the next. Edited October 2, 2023 by gazzac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, gazzac said: Keep it at 40 and leave it for another 2/3 seasons, will always be good and bad teams put together and some riders will miss out, but at least clubs and fans will know at the end of the seasons what's happening the next. As averages come back to 42 or so each year, using 40 for a further two or three years represents a continuing dilution of 5% each year. No team would be able to track the same side year on year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Beirao said: As averages come back to 42 or so each year, using 40 for a further two or three years represents a continuing dilution of 5% each year. No team would be able to track the same side year on year. I know and would like to see it at 42, but can't see it going above 40 really, at least setting it would negate it going into the 30's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 13 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Lowering the points limit could improve the racing, if it led to the top riders missing out on the Champ. Currently the 2.00 reserves are miles away from the Masters & Douglas standard riders. But if the 8.00 heat leaders become the top men, then there is a smaller gap between top & bottom riders, so the racing should be closer. Should help NL riders stepping up having more riders nearer their ability to attempt to beat. However of it leads to lots of 4-6 point riders being dropped and teams running with strong top ends & 4 reserves, then the gap is bigger & racing more processional. The BSPL could always change the heat formula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Skidder1 said: The BSPL could always change the heat formula Didn't we have a few seasons were 2 reserve races and 3&5 rode as a pair in a heat. Similar to Poland. Think lasted longer in prem than champ tbh. Wasn't sure why, thought was good format personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Didn't we have a few seasons were 2 reserve races and 3&5 rode as a pair in a heat. Similar to Poland. Think lasted longer in prem than champ tbh. Wasn't sure why, thought was good format personally That was 2014/15 to accommodate the 'Elite League Draft' , basically a previous iteration of 'Rising Stars' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: The BSPL could always change the heat formula 23 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Didn't we have a few seasons were 2 reserve races and 3&5 rode as a pair in a heat. Similar to Poland. Think lasted longer in prem than champ tbh. Wasn't sure why, thought was good format personally 14 minutes ago, arnieg said: That was 2014/15 to accommodate the 'Elite League Draft' , basically a previous iteration of 'Rising Stars' I personally really liked that format. Better for the fans imo, as they get more HL vs HL clashes, same with reserves. Obviously top riders won't like it as they get harder races, but if they are serious about getting to the top of the sport (Poland) they need to get used to tough opposition. Plus you could make pay rates for 1,3+5 higher than 2+4, which would be higher than 6+7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 For me heat format should be revised where 6 & 7 meet each other and numbers 2 & 4. Riders 1,3 & 5 should meet each other and numbers 2,4 so you're always racing against riders of their own level or in positions in teams they hope to get to . I will never be convinced that a reserve should ever get the opposition heat leaders 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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