Ipswich v Sheffield play off final 1st leg

[Hawk127]

You could not make it up with all that has/is going on with regard to the oppositions riders and to add insult, Ipswich race on an off night to no doubt accommodate Sheffield who have limited nights available to race and so priority over race nights is conceded. One rule next year should include available nights to race and if the stadium owners consider that they can earn more money from other activities then the club has to have a question mark against it competing in the top league. At the end of the day it is a Mickey Mouse end of season competition and the real winners are Belle Vue who finished top and are league champions and Ipswich who won the cup, this end of season race off debacle are a series irrelevant fixture fillers. 

[Gavan]

25 minutes ago, orion said:

Why is it not common sense. . The rule is pretty clear.you can use riders not involved in the play offs as guests.. 

Chris Harris was involved in the play offs though or did you miss that

Lidsey rode against Ipswich in the semi final ....his team are out yet he cant ride in the final

Harris rode FOR Ipswich in the semi final.....yet can ride against them in the final

Try reading it aloud and hearing how crazy that is 

[orion]

11 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Chris Harris was involved in the play offs though or did you miss that

Lidsey rode against Ipswich in the semi final ....his team are out yet he cant ride in the final

Harris rode FOR Ipswich in the semi final.....yet can ride against them in the final

Try reading it aloud and hearing how crazy that is 

No need for drama..the rule is pretty simple.Teams can use guests that are not involved in the offs. already explained why that is. so no I did not miss anything.

[SpeedwayFan91]

Ipswich should have a big lead after Monday anyway... Lambert doesn’t ride Foxhall well at all (neither do Holder and Pickering) and Harris is very up and down nowadays, sometimes brilliant and sometimes awful 

[BluPanther]

17 minutes ago, orion said:

No need for drama..the rule is pretty simple.Teams can use guests that are not involved in the offs. already explained why that is. so no I did not miss anything.

Harris has been involved in the play offs...

[LagutaRacingFan]

Ipswich want an easy title, similar to how Lublin won against Wroclaw.

Thankfully, the rules in British Speedway mean we will get a fairer final.

[tocha]

So we are now left with strange situation whereby a rider whose club is not in the play-offs but can guest for more than one club that is. However, if a guest rising star is required he has to be selected from the list as long as he is not already in current 1 -7.

[orion]

1 hour ago, Hawk127 said:

You could not make it up with all that has/is going on with regard to the oppositions riders and to add insult, Ipswich race on an off night to no doubt accommodate Sheffield who have limited nights available to race and so priority over race nights is conceded. One rule next year should include available nights to race and if the stadium owners consider that they can earn more money from other activities then the club has to have a question mark against it competing in the top league. At the end of the day it is a Mickey Mouse end of season competition and the real winners are Belle Vue who finished top and are league champions and Ipswich who won the cup, this end of season race off debacle are a series irrelevant fixture fillers. 

Sheff finished above ippo so would have choice of race nights .. so you could make it up as you just have lol . People who don't understand play offs tend to be oap's who have no understanding of modern sport and  or have any idea of the money side of the sport as your last line clearly shows .

[SUPERACE]

2 hours ago, orion said:

Of course  it does..Lidsey would have a vested interest and could ride in both semi finals if the rules allowed.Harris has none 

Lidsey can't guest now his team are out, it's the same as Harris.  It's absolutely nonsense and there is no argument otherwise. 

[SUPERACE]

2 hours ago, TTT said:

Harris has represented 6 out of the 7 Premiership clubs this season whether it being a permanent spell or a guest booking.

Harris has had a permanent spells at Leicester and Peterborough this season.

Harris has also made guest appearances for both Leicester and Peterborough this season.

Harris helped Ipswich get into the final.

Harris will now help Sheffield win the final.

Plus Robert Lambert will have ridden in 13 Premiership meetings over the last two years and he may have two league titles to show for it LOL.

 

You can't run a circus without any clowns, The higher ups have ruined our once great sport to the point of no return unfortunately, We used to be the best in the business now we're an Amateur laughing stock hence why the Sport in this country can't attract any new fans.

Lambert won't have 2 winners medals he will have 1.  He was a contracted Belle Vue rider, he's only a Sheffield guest. 

[orion]

2 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Lidsey can't guest now his team are out, it's the same as Harris.  It's absolutely nonsense and there is no argument otherwise. 

Repeat again . the rule is clear you cant you have a guest from a team that has made the play offs . Your correct there is no argument as Peterborough never made them 

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, orion said:

Sheff finished above ippo so would have choice of race nights .. so you could make it up as you just have lol . People who don't understand play offs tend to be oap's who have no understanding of modern sport and  or have any idea of the money side of the sport as your last line clearly shows .

This we agree on, I love the play offs.  They just need to find a sensible way of teams covering injuries that's fair for all.  It's simple for me as follows.

1. If a rider is injured and out for the season you can replace him after the cut off date, but said rider mustn't race again anywhere that season, if he does then said team loses the facility. 

2. Guests can ride for anyone as long as there team isn't in the play offs, once out of playoffs those riders become available to Guest

3. Guests can be used for any rider 1 to 7 or r/r.

4. No 8 day rule for play offs. 

 

 

 

 

 

[SUPERACE]

4 minutes ago, orion said:

Repeat again . the rule is clear you cant you have a guest from a team that has made the play offs . Your correct there is no argument as Peterborough never made them 

I think your getting confused, I know the rule, just because there is a rule it doesn't make it right.  This is a forum not the rules panel. The rule that states a playoff rider can't guest even when his team are out, but a none playoff rider can guest for anyone and everyone is ludicrous.

[hammer1969]

2 hours ago, orion said:

No need for drama..the rule is pretty simple.Teams can use guests that are not involved in the offs. already explained why that is. so no I did not miss anything.

Quite agree Teams can use guests not involved in the play offs BUT quite simple really Harris has been involved in the play offs he scored 10 + 3 for Ipswich against Belle Vue.

[hammer1969]

9 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

This we agree on, I love the play offs.  They just need to find a sensible way of teams covering injuries that's fair for all.  It's simple for me as follows.

1. If a rider is injured and out for the season you can replace him after the cut off date, but said rider mustn't race again anywhere that season, if he does then said team loses the facility. 

2. Guests can ride for anyone as long as there team isn't in the play offs, once out of playoffs those riders become available to Guest

3. Guests can be used for any rider 1 to 7 or r/r.

4. No 8 day rule for play offs. 

 

 

 

 

 

And on your point 2 what a bl..dy stupid rule that is.  Chris Harris is just earning a living but he had a good meeting for Ippo against Belle Vue, will he have a good meeting or a bad meeting for Sheffield against Ippo, it leaves so much to interpret in our sport no wonder its losing credibility by the bucketful.

[The SAINT]

4 hours ago, hammer1969 said:

Quite agree re Harris, just hope there's a very loud silence stadium when he's announced, just hope he has a night when he's trying to find the right set up.

Let's hope not, quite the opposite in fact! 

[Dornier]

Looking forward to the final.  Sheffield have a weakened team but hopefully they'll step up to the plate.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Just another ridiculous speedway situation. A rider who’s team has qualified for the play offs cannot guest for another team in the playoffs, so that the sport doesn’t look like Micky mouse when in theory the biggest tv audience will be watching. However a rider from a team that hasn’t qualified for the play offs can ride for more than one team in the playoffs. The situation with Harris is madness!!

Harris plays a huge part in Ipswich qualifying for the final & will now ride against them.

It would have made the sport look better to suspend the 8 day rule & allow Lawson to ride in the final at least it would have provided some consistency & any newbies watching wouldn’t be exposed to the crazy world of uk speedway.

[Dornier]

15 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

Just another ridiculous speedway situation. A rider who’s team has qualified for the play offs cannot guest for another team in the playoffs, so that the sport doesn’t look like Micky mouse when in theory the biggest tv audience will be watching. However a rider from a team that hasn’t qualified for the play offs can ride for more than one team in the playoffs. The situation with Harris is madness!!

Harris plays a huge part in Ipswich qualifying for the final & will now ride against them.

It would have made the sport look better to suspend the 8 day rule & allow Lawson to ride in the final at least it would have provided some consistency & any newbies watching wouldn’t be exposed to the crazy world of uk speedway.

I always say stick to the rules and you can't go wrong.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

22 minutes ago, Dornier said:

I always say stick to the rules and you can't go wrong.

Let's hope you're right - as nothing goes wrong for the Witches then......