The Third Man Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The SAINT said: uninjured V injured jack holder,Tobi ,tai , dan (and vissing) CANNOT ride ...... therefore Sheffield have only FOUR riders fit . what is your suggestion/answer to this scenario ??? i have asked this question in numerous topics, no one has replied with a solution except Sheffield shouldn't be allowed to be in the playoffs because of their injuries no comments from Ipswich supporters about them using two guests in one match against Belle Vue and one guest in the other Perhaps Belle Vue and Wolves should have been seeded to the final as they didn't need to use guests Edited September 29, 2023 by The Third Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, The SAINT said: uninjured V injured jack holder,Tobi ,tai , dan (and vissing) CANNOT ride ...... therefore Sheffield have only FOUR riders fit . what is your suggestion/answer to this scenario ??? My suggestion for Sheffield wouldn't pass the forum filters 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Third Man said: i have asked this question in numerous topics, no one has replied with a solution except Sheffield shouldn't be allowed to be in the playoffs because of their injuries no comments from Ipswich supporters about them using two guests in one match against Belle Vue and one guest in the other Perhaps Belle Vue and Wolves should have been seeded to the final as they didn't need to use guests Tip of the iceberg..... Just carry on in your see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil bubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Tip of the iceberg..... Just carry on in your see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil bubble So i will ask again, what's the solution for Sheffield, and what should the solution for Ipswich in the semi final have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, The Third Man said: i have asked this question in numerous topics, no one has replied with a solution except Sheffield shouldn't be allowed to be in the playoffs because of their injuries no comments from Ipswich supporters about them using two guests in one match against Belle Vue and one guest in the other Perhaps Belle Vue and Wolves should have been seeded to the final as they didn't need to use guests 10 man squads for next season An extra rising star, then a choice between sharing the no.1 spot, or an additional heat leader avg below their stated no.1 and an additional 2nd string Guests and RR at an absolute must if you have 4 riders injured in your 10 rider squad For example, Ipswich 1. Sayfutdinov 2. Riss 3. Douglas 4. B. Cook 5. Doyle 6. Rew 7. D Thompson HL Res 8. King - covers any missing heat leader who has a higher average SS Res 9. Hume - covers any 2nd string or Reserve who has a higher average RS Res 10. J. Thompson - covers for any missing reserve or rising star Worst case scenario if Doyle and Emil were missing together King comes in for Emil, 4th highest avg becomes 3rd heat leader and Hume comes in as a 2nd string or no.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Third Man said: So i will ask again, what's the solution for Sheffield, and what should the solution for Ipswich in the semi final have been Sheffield - Not use an illegal guest (Lambert) for starters. As I say tip of the iceberg and so much more than just the play off picture Ipswich - Potentially should've been only RR available. I even posted on the semi thread that RR was my preferred option. Harris guesting though, whilst undesirable, was 100% within the regs as they stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Sheffield - Not use an illegal guest (Lambert) for starters. As I say tip of the iceberg and so much more than just the play off picture Ipswich - Potentially should've been only RR available. I even posted on the semi thread that RR was my preferred option. Harris guesting though, whilst undesirable, was 100% within the regs as they stand So wolves will appeal then if Lambert is illegal then ? Will the final be delayed while this happens ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: 10 man squads for next season An extra rising star, then a choice between sharing the no.1 spot, or an additional heat leader avg below their stated no.1 and an additional 2nd string Guests and RR at an absolute must if you have 4 riders injured in your 10 rider squad For example, Ipswich 1. Sayfutdinov 2. Riss 3. Douglas 4. B. Cook 5. Doyle 6. Rew 7. D Thompson HL Res 8. King - covers any missing heat leader who has a higher average SS Res 9. Hume - covers any 2nd string or Reserve who has a higher average RS Res 10. J. Thompson - covers for any missing reserve or rising star Worst case scenario if Doyle and Emil were missing together King comes in for Emil, 4th highest avg becomes 3rd heat leader and Hume comes in as a 2nd string or no.6 Why would Danny King sit on the sidelines not earning in the top league for year. I don't know were to start pulling your idea apart..but it's insane if think your going to find 7 Danny King types who are just going to wait to earn money for a call up in case a rider gets injured.. its just the normal when someone moans about the current rules they come up with ideas that can't work in practice. Edited September 29, 2023 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 Lambert and Harris confirmed for Sheffield for both legs! Mountain at Sheffield and Etheridge at Ipswich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshiretyke Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 But yet, the only reason why Ipswich are even in the final is due to a Peterborough team (that made as many, if not more changes than Sheffield) winning an unlikely tie on aggregate against Leicester after improving their team massively. But of course, that was all fine!! Sheffield made changes when certain riders were underperforming, Ipswich didn't despite many fans calling for King (at that point) and Riss to go. Are Sheffield any stronger with guests than with Tai and Tobi, not on paper but could be. Are they any stronger than the first team put together, not really. It is what it is!! Lets just hope for a great close final and may the best team win! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayFan91 Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: As Connor Mountain rode last night I am assuming he cant ride next thursday in the final due to 8 day rule. Etheridge riding at Owlerton, Mountain at Foxhall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 I have no problem with Sheffield using Guests, but I have with the guests they are using. Lambert is on an assessed average and Harris rode for us in the other semi. There are three teams Sheffield could pick riders from and if another team has used a rider in the play-offs he shouldn't be allowed to ride for another. They should have to pick from Lawson, Sedgmen, Kerr, Laguta, Tarasenko, Basso, Iversen or Palm-Toft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Bash said: I have no problem with Sheffield using Guests, but I have with the guests they are using. Lambert is on an assessed average and Harris rode for us in the other semi. There are three teams Sheffield could pick riders from and if another team has used a rider in the play-offs he shouldn't be allowed to ride for another. They should have to pick from Lawson, Sedgmen, Kerr, Laguta, Tarasenko, Basso, Iversen or Palm-Toft. Are Sheffield stronger with Lambert & Harris over Woffinden and Musielak? The answer is no. Ipswich should stop moaning and get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bash said: I have no problem with Sheffield using Guests, but I have with the guests they are using. Lambert is on an assessed average and Harris rode for us in the other semi. There are three teams Sheffield could pick riders from and if another team has used a rider in the play-offs he shouldn't be allowed to ride for another. They should have to pick from Lawson, Sedgmen, Kerr, Laguta, Tarasenko, Basso, Iversen or Palm-Toft. What do the rules say ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 It's a shambles that Chris Harris can guest For Sheffield having already rode for Ipswich. The rules are making a joke of the sport again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayFan91 Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, SUPERACE said: It's a shambles that Chris Harris can guest For Sheffield having already rode for Ipswich. The rules are making a joke of the sport again. Harris’ team (Peterborough) didnt make the playoffs so he can guest for however many he likes... Its riders from playoff teams that cant guest for anyone else Edited September 29, 2023 by SpeedwayFan91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 No assessed averages and that is what Lambert is on, and in the best interest of speedway Harris shouldn't ride for Sheffield having already rode for Ipswich, makes the sport look so amateurish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: Harris’ team (Peterborough) didnt make the playoffs so he can guest for however many he likes It's a complete cock up. Harris rode in the semi final so he should fall under the same rules as Belle Vue and Wolves riders. It makes no sense that this is allowed to happen. The Rules again are making a mockery of the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Bash said: No assessed averages and that is what Lambert is on, and in the best interest of speedway Harris shouldn't ride for Sheffield having already rode for Ipswich, makes the sport look so amateurish. Absolutely correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 30 minutes ago, orion said: Why would Danny King sit on the sidelines not earning in the top league for year. I don't know were to start pulling your idea apart..but it's insane if think your going to find 7 Danny King types who are just going to wait to earn money for a call up in case a rider gets injured.. its just the normal when someone moans about the current rules they come up with ideas that can't work in practice. 6 side prem next season so 7 riders will already be on the sidelines next year, and its not the sidelines its a squad place! So could ride some weeks others not A fair few riders available for the 2nd rising star spot Might entice some other riders back for a squad place Tungate, Bjerre, Thorsell, Michelsen, Thomsen etc Might attract some younger european riders to take a squad place Might even attract riders like Vaculik, Lambert, Lindgren to share a no.1 berth Plus there are a few riders already in the championship who would like a squad place Thomsen, Etheridge, Batchelor, Knudsen etc. If you rode speedway and had a championship ride and no top flight ride, would you settle for a squad place in the top flight, absolutely you would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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