Fromafar Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 8:03 PM, Gazc said: Clubs will struggle to justify £20 admission for another dilution of the points limit. Expand That’s my thoughts,but you can bet there won’t be reduced admission prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 8:14 PM, GS550 said: But these days a quid is only worth 20p or maybe 30p so on that score 20 quid is only about a fiver in auld money. Expand It’s not what it’s worth it’s whether you have it to spare though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) On 10/4/2023 at 8:19 PM, GS550 said: Going by what others have said about the rule then no, the minimum 3 rides becomes 4 if eligible to take one of the R/R rides - its one R/R ride per each of the 4 eligible riders, don't think one rider can take 2 R/R rides, has to be one each so that would include another ride for Ace as part of his minimum set of rides - unless withdrawn from the meeting. Expand If it's a reserve he can take all four R/R rides, just three of them would be a reserve switch, rather than R/R, he would then only have three of his four programmed rides. Edited October 4, 2023 by StevePark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 8:26 PM, StevePark said: If it's a reserve he can take all four R/R rides, just three of them would be a reserve switch, rather than R/R, he would then only have three of his four programmed rides. Expand Great, that’s what I thought. You are ever-reliable with the nuance of the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 8:03 PM, Gazc said: Clubs will struggle to justify £20 admission for another dilution of the points limit. Expand Happens season after season less points for teams more cash for the supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 the number 8 jack could have taken any RR rides and if ace had pulled out after his first fall pretty sure jack could have taken all his rides under IRR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 9:07 PM, mac101 said: the number 8 jack could have taken any RR rides and if ace had pulled out after his first fall pretty sure jack could have taken all his rides under IRR Expand The AR can now take any ride I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 6:56 AM, MartinBSN said: The AR can now take any ride I believe Expand Almost any ride! SR 012.4.4 f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 7:15 AM, NeilWatson said: Almost any ride! SR 012.4.4 f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7. Expand It’s pretty mad they can’t be used in a protected heat when they have to be under a 4 point average anyway, the kind of rider a protected heat is aimed at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) On 10/5/2023 at 7:15 AM, NeilWatson said: Almost any ride! SR 012.4.4 f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7. Expand Heat 8 isn't a protected heat, both number 2 & 7 could be replaced by the number 6. Sounds more like a Prem ruling? I suppose heat 8 is protected against tac subs, which is a tad pointless, as it would have been legal for Basso & Nicholls to race at number 2 (wouldn't happen I know) plus clubs don't have to put their weakest reserve at 7 & even if they do, can still drop him from that heat. Edited October 5, 2023 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 8:43 AM, szkocjasid said: Heat 8 isn't a protected heat, both number 2 & 7 could be replaced by the number 6. Sounds more like a Prem ruling? Expand My understanding was protected heats are a Premiership/Rising Star thing, and not applicable in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 8:45 AM, Noelinho said: My understanding was protected heats are a Premiership/Rising Star thing, and not applicable in the Championship. Expand That would make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 I still can’t get over that pop from the crowd when Complin took Kerr wide and allowed Brennan through for a heat fourteen 5-1. I thought those atmospheres were saved for Ibrox and Celtic Park in Glasgow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 8:11 PM, GS550 said: Yes minimum 3 rides, but it becomes 4 when also eligible for an R/R ride for the absent Vissing. Expand You're both right and wrong here........I think! Lee could, in theory, take all 4 rider replacement rides, as a reserve. Obviously he technically wouldn't as that would be Lee's 4 programmed plus Lee taking all 4 RRs = 8. So if Lee took all 4 RRs then Ace would need to take one of Lee's programmed rides which would end up Ace having 5 rides on the night, which wasn't wanted. So I think you're right that Ace was compelled, on that night, to take his 4 programmed rides, at least but he wasn't compelled to take any RR rides. Happy for anyone to contradict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) On 10/4/2023 at 8:11 PM, GS550 said: Yes minimum 3 rides, but it becomes 4 when also eligible for an R/R ride for the absent Vissing. Expand There is no such rule, the minimum three ride rule applies to a rider and it is up to the team manager to allocate the RR rides and any reserve switches to the best advantage. Edited October 5, 2023 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 7:07 PM, Joseq7 said: You're both right and wrong here........I think! Lee could, in theory, take all 4 rider replacement rides, as a reserve. Obviously he technically wouldn't as that would be Lee's 4 programmed plus Lee taking all 4 RRs = 8. So if Lee took all 4 RRs then Ace would need to take one of Lee's programmed rides which would end up Ace having 5 rides on the night, which wasn't wanted. So I think you're right that Ace was compelled, on that night, to take his 4 programmed rides, at least but he wasn't compelled to take any RR rides. Happy for anyone to contradict. Expand I think in a normal meeting, you would be correct. But as there was a number 8 present, he could have taken the rides meaning Ace only needed the three rides to satisfy the regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 7:30 PM, Noelinho said: I think in a normal meeting, you would be correct. But as there was a number 8 present, he could have taken the rides meaning Ace only needed the three rides to satisfy the regulations. Expand How does a No8 actually work? Could a No8 have 7 rides? Assuming you're right then WTF was Broon thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 I can’t remember what the exact scenario was - my memory is suggesting it happened at Berwick - but I’m almost certain Ian Steel lost his job at Glasgow for a decision he made at Shielfield Park in 2004 or 2005. I’m not suggesting Cami Brown should lose his job; he’s on the brink of a league title, but in a sinister way, he was lucky Pijper crashed in heat twelve. If he hadn’t, I’m fairly confident Oxford would have shared that heat which wouldn’t only have impacted the momentum of the meeting, but the result too. A baffling decison. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 7:37 PM, Joseq7 said: How does a No8 actually work? Could a No8 have 7 rides? Assuming you're right then WTF was Broon thinking? Expand I believe they can come in at any point, like a reserve switch. No protected heats in this league. The only difference is 6 and 7 must have 3 rides, 8 can have 0. There's probably nothing to stop them coming in heat 15 if you send someone through the tapes and replace them rather than go off 15 metres... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 8:08 PM, Noelinho said: I believe they can come in at any point, like a reserve switch. No protected heats in this league. The only difference is 6 and 7 must have 3 rides, 8 can have 0. There's probably nothing to stop them coming in heat 15 if you send someone through the tapes and replace them rather than go off 15 metres... Expand Just a general rule question..... A tape touching doesn't count as a ride does it? If it does then that's a recipe for some jiggery pokery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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