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Glasgow Vs Oxford play offs 26/9/23


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7 minutes ago, GS550 said:

Going by what others have said about the rule then no, the minimum 3 rides becomes 4 if eligible to take one of the R/R rides - its one R/R ride per each of the 4 eligible riders, don't think one rider can take 2 R/R rides, has to be one each so that would include another ride for Ace as part of his minimum set of rides - unless withdrawn from the meeting.

If it's a reserve he can take all four R/R rides, just three of them would be a reserve switch, rather than R/R, he would then only have three of his four programmed rides.

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1 minute ago, StevePark said:

If it's a reserve he can take all four R/R rides, just three of them would be a reserve switch, rather than R/R, he would then only have three of his four programmed rides.

Great, that’s what I thought. You are ever-reliable with the nuance of the rules.

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18 minutes ago, MartinBSN said:

The AR can now take any ride I believe

Almost any ride!

SR 012.4.4  f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7.

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49 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

Almost any ride!

SR 012.4.4  f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7.

It’s pretty mad they can’t be used in a protected heat when they have to be under a 4 point average anyway, the kind of rider a protected heat is aimed at!

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1 hour ago, NeilWatson said:

Almost any ride!

SR 012.4.4  f) A rider nominated as an AR may, at the Team Managers discretion, take any ride at any time in heats 1-14, apart from the protected riders position in heats 2 and 8. Whilst the minimum ride rule does not apply, the maximum number of rides is 7.

Heat 8 isn't a protected heat, both number 2 & 7 could be replaced by the number 6. Sounds more like a Prem ruling?

I suppose heat 8 is protected against tac subs, which is a tad pointless, as it would have been legal for Basso & Nicholls to race at number 2 (wouldn't happen I know) plus clubs don't have to put their weakest reserve at 7 & even if they do, can still drop him from that heat.

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22 hours ago, GS550 said:

Yes minimum 3 rides, but it becomes 4 when also eligible for an R/R ride for the absent Vissing.

You're both right and wrong here........I think! 

Lee could, in theory, take all 4 rider replacement rides, as a reserve.

Obviously he technically wouldn't as that would be Lee's 4 programmed plus Lee taking all 4 RRs = 8.

So if Lee took all 4 RRs then Ace would need to take one of Lee's programmed rides which would end up Ace having 5 rides on the night, which wasn't wanted. 

So I think you're right that Ace was compelled, on that night, to take his 4 programmed rides, at least but he wasn't compelled to take any RR rides. 

Happy for anyone to contradict. 

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23 hours ago, GS550 said:

Yes minimum 3 rides, but it becomes 4 when also eligible for an R/R ride for the absent Vissing.

There is no such rule, the minimum three ride rule applies to a rider and it is up to the team manager to allocate the RR rides and any reserve switches to the best advantage.

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22 minutes ago, Joseq7 said:

You're both right and wrong here........I think! 

Lee could, in theory, take all 4 rider replacement rides, as a reserve.

Obviously he technically wouldn't as that would be Lee's 4 programmed plus Lee taking all 4 RRs = 8.

So if Lee took all 4 RRs then Ace would need to take one of Lee's programmed rides which would end up Ace having 5 rides on the night, which wasn't wanted. 

So I think you're right that Ace was compelled, on that night, to take his 4 programmed rides, at least but he wasn't compelled to take any RR rides. 

Happy for anyone to contradict. 

I think in a normal meeting, you would be correct. But as there was a number 8 present, he could have taken the rides meaning Ace only needed the three rides to satisfy the regulations.

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4 minutes ago, Noelinho said:

I think in a normal meeting, you would be correct. But as there was a number 8 present, he could have taken the rides meaning Ace only needed the three rides to satisfy the regulations.

How does a No8 actually work?

Could a No8 have 7 rides? 

Assuming you're right then WTF was Broon thinking? 

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I can’t remember what the exact scenario was - my memory is suggesting it happened at Berwick - but I’m almost certain Ian Steel lost his job at Glasgow for a decision he made at Shielfield Park in 2004 or 2005.

I’m not suggesting Cami Brown should lose his job; he’s on the brink of a league title, but in a sinister way, he was lucky Pijper crashed in heat twelve. If he hadn’t, I’m fairly confident Oxford would have shared that heat which wouldn’t only have impacted the momentum of the meeting, but the result too. A baffling decison.

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28 minutes ago, Joseq7 said:

How does a No8 actually work?

Could a No8 have 7 rides? 

Assuming you're right then WTF was Broon thinking? 

I believe they can come in at any point, like a reserve switch. No protected heats in this league. The only difference is 6 and 7 must have 3 rides, 8 can have 0.

There's probably nothing to stop them coming in heat 15 if you send someone through the tapes and replace them rather than go off 15 metres...

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5 minutes ago, Noelinho said:

I believe they can come in at any point, like a reserve switch. No protected heats in this league. The only difference is 6 and 7 must have 3 rides, 8 can have 0.

There's probably nothing to stop them coming in heat 15 if you send someone through the tapes and replace them rather than go off 15 metres...

Just a general rule question..... 

A tape touching doesn't count as a ride does it? 

If it does then that's a recipe for some jiggery pokery. 

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