bellevueace Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Dan has clearly not done it this year, couldn't believe he scored less than Holder in the cup. Kurtz has outscored him all season, you would have thought he would want to do better for his home club,strange how someone like Musielak always seems pull it all out for Sheffield. Kurtz has been our best rider for a couple of seasons now, agree about Musielak great rider, reliable and can ride all tracks big or small, will be a big miss for Sheffield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores. Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bellevueace said: Kurtz has been our best rider for a couple of seasons now, agree about Musielak great rider, reliable and can ride all tracks big or small, will be a big miss for Sheffield. Over the course of this season Kurtz has scored 3Â points more than Bewley 7 points more over the last 20 rolling matches Edited September 22, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Garry1603 said: No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores. Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night  Kurtz and Brennan weren't poor, they can be proud of their efforts. We missed Charles and the other 4 just didn't ride to thier level. No excuses as even with out Charles we should of been good enough to keep it below 10 points. But that's Speedway, let's see what Monday brings, but realistically its going to be very difficult to pull back 18.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 The interesting thing for me is how much Kurtz has improved on the tighter more technical tracks over the last couple of years. There were times not too long ago, when you knew if he went to Monmore or Foxhall, he would be useless and not up for it at all. He hated those type of tracks. He's now applied himself admirably and looks a quality rider at the tighter more technical tracks. Dan last night kept himself safe for the weekend. He always ran mid track where the bike was comfortable to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) Kurtz has got a bigger meeting this weekend for his polish club, to go for promotion. actually its next weekend. Edited September 22, 2023 by DazS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Garry1603 said: No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores. Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night  Bewley hasnt had a great season, his average is way below his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, wtf said: The interesting thing for me is how much Kurtz has improved on the tighter more technical tracks over the last couple of years. There were times not too long ago, when you knew if he went to Monmore or Foxhall, he would be useless and not up for it at all. He hated those type of tracks. He's now applied himself admirably and looks a quality rider at the tighter more technical tracks. Dan last night kept himself safe for the weekend. He always ran mid track where the bike was comfortable to ride. Looks like he's always been pretty useful around Ippo: Brady Kurtz at Ipswich   No.   Points Total  Thu Apr 13th 2023 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa) 5 3, 0, 3, 3, 0 9   Thu Jul 13th 2023 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb) 5 2, R, 3, 1, 3 9   Thu Sep 21st 2023 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRPO) 1 2, 1, 3, 1, 3 10    Thu May 5th 2022 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa) 5 1', 2, 3, 2, 3 11 +1  Thu Jul 14th 2022 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb) 3 2, 3, 2, 2, 1' 10 +1  Thu Sep 29th 2022 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRPO) 5 3, 2, 3, 2, 1' 11 +1   Thu May 20th 2021 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa) 1 0, 3, 3^, 2', 3, 2 13 +1  Thu Jul 8th 2021 Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb) 1 2, 3, 2, 1, 3^, 2 13    Thu Aug 29th 2019 Ipswich v Poole (PRb) 5 3, 3, 3, 2', X, 1 12 +1  Sat Sep 28th 2019 Ipswich v Poole (PRPO) 1 1, 2', 0, 0 3 +1   Thu Apr 9th 2015 Ipswich v Somerset (LC3) 3 1, 2, 0, 3 6   Thu Jun 18th 2015 Ipswich v Somerset (PL) 1 1'~, 1', 2, 2' 6 +3   Thu Apr 3rd 2014 Ipswich v Somerset (LC3) 3 F, 1', 1 2 +1  Thu Jun 5th 2014 Ipswich v Somerset (PKO) 3 1, 1, X, 2, 0 4   Thu Jul 24th 2014 Ipswich v Somerset (PL) 3 2, 3, 0^, 1, 0 6    He has improved at Wolves, he was far from "useless" though, except for his first visit, which you could maybe excuse: Brady Kurtz at Wolverhampton   No.   Points Total  Mon Apr 10th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRKO) 5 1, 1, 2 4   Mon May 29th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRa) 5 3, 2, 3, 3^, 1', 2 14 +1  Mon Jul 10th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 5 3, 2, 2', 1, 2 10 +1   Mon Apr 18th 2022 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PLCN) 5 3, 1, 3, 0 7   Mon Aug 29th 2022 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 3 3, 0, 3, 3^, 3, 3 15    Mon Jul 26th 2021 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRa) 1 1', 2, 2, 0 5 +1  Mon Aug 30th 2021 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 5 3, 2, 3, 0, 2' 10 +1   Mon Jun 24th 2019 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRa) 5 X, 1, 3, 0 4   Mon Aug 26th 2019 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRb) 5 1, 2, 3, 2^, 1, 0 9    Mon Apr 23rd 2018 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRa) 1 2, 2, 2^, 3, 2, 1 12   Mon May 28th 2018 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRb) 1 1, 3, 3, 0, T 7    Mon Mar 27th 2017 Wolverhampton v Poole (ES) 3 3, 0, 0, 1 4    Mon May 2nd 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELa) 6 2, 1, 0, 3, 0 6   Mon Sep 5th 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELb) 4 0, 2, 3, 3, 0 8   Wed Sep 28th 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELPO) 2 0, 0, F 0    Edited September 22, 2023 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 Ipswich wanted it more. Congratulations to you guys.  Very disappointing result for us. In fact quite angry about it.  ipswich deserved the big lead they have. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Kurtz and Brennan weren't poor, they can be proud of their efforts. We missed Charles and the other 4 just didn't ride to thier level. No excuses as even with out Charles we should of been good enough to keep it below 10 points. But that's Speedway, let's see what Monday brings, but realistically its going to be very difficult to pull back 18.  Charles was a big miss and it may have counted against you that Ipswich have ridden more recently. The track played a part and probably counted in their favour with the conditions not suiting Belle Vue also Blodorn was poor and you would have been better off with a guest as he may have come back too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, Phil The Ace said: Ipswich wanted it more. Congratulations to you guys.  Very disappointing result for us. In fact quite angry about it.  ipswich deserved the big lead they have. See Sheffield have got R Lambert in for Monday.... not taking anything away from Bomber as he was awesome last night. However, it does beg the question whether Ipswich went for him or not? Also, thought Lambert wasn't allowed to guest as he is/was on an "Assessed Average"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wtf said: The interesting thing for me is how much Kurtz has improved on the tighter more technical tracks over the last couple of years. There were times not too long ago, when you knew if he went to Monmore or Foxhall, he would be useless and not up for it at all. He hated those type of tracks. He's now applied himself admirably and looks a quality rider at the tighter more technical tracks. Dan last night kept himself safe for the weekend. He always ran mid track where the bike was comfortable to ride. Kurtz has always been handy at Ipswich tbh, always wanted to get him here in his early days when he was first over with Somerset in the second tier, of his generation of the top Aussies Kurtz/holder/fricke he’s always been comfortably the best at Ipswich as an away rider Edited September 22, 2023 by 89buttons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, 89buttons said: Kurtz has always been handy at Ipswich tbh, always wanted to get him here in his early days when he was first over with Somerset in the second tier, of his generation of the top Aussies Kurtz/holder/fricke he’s always been comfortably the best at Ipswich as an away rider Fricke is pretty good at Ipswich too, tricky decision on which guest to use although Sheffield may have already got Fricke for their play offs but if Doyle is back Sheffield can't use Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, foreverblue said: Fricke is pretty good at Ipswich too, tricky decision on which guest to use although Sheffield may have already got Fricke for their play offs but if Doyle is back Sheffield can't use Harris. It would appear Sheffield have got R Lambert... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 Just now, StarBoy said: It would appear Sheffield have got R Lambert... Really I thought you couldn't use a rider with an assessed average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 The powers that be tried to mess up Ipswich by not letting them use Joe T.Backfired a bit as Jack Smith got 2 which is probably no less than Joe would have got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Really I thought you couldn't use a rider with an assessed average. Well it does appear Lambert is becoming Mr. Playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TTT said: How do you explain Bewley's UK season then? If he's struggling in Britain then he should be struggling in the GP's and Ekstraliga if it's down to the rider himself because the GP's and Ekstraliga is at a World Class level. He's only struggling in Britain, The weakest league / competition in his diary therefore it has to be equipment related because their is no other explanation for it. Have you asked him? I'm afraid it's much more likely to be mentality and capability related than anything to do with equipment. Kurtz was poor in some of his rides last night but won two near the end when he'd got his head around it, as he explained in his interview. Edited September 22, 2023 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, foreverblue said: The powers that be tried to mess up Ipswich by not letting them use Joe T.Backfired a bit as Jack Smith got 2 which is probably no less than Joe would have got. He was also on the pace and would have had another if he hadn't made a mistake and fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Really I thought you couldn't use a rider with an assessed average. If only there was something in black and white / regulations/ rules to confirm this . 1. Lambert on latest green sheets has * next to his name denoting he's assessed ( not established) 012.4.2 Guest Rider (G) Replaces an absent regular team member subject to the following: - a) if the absent rider, with an established MA, is in the top 1-5 of the  team, then the missing rider’s MA will be enhanced by +5% at a  home meeting to determine the allowance for the guest rider  Oh well......not as though in same rules/ regulations it could 100% prove that Joe Thompson was ineligible last night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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