JamesB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Just now, Daniel Smith said: Currently it's 6.16 but if Ipswich / Sheffield was allowed to sign Musielak, what numbers would King's Lynn be working from? If they choose not to sign a replacement then it would seem logical to continue to use 6.16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, JamesB said: If they choose not to sign a replacement then it would seem logical to continue to use 6.16. No it isn't logical as Musielak would be elsewhere. 75% of 12.00 is more fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 24 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So, we're to accept that one week he's coming back, then a week later he's not returning to British Speedway because of injury but a call from Ipswich / Sheffield he's all of a sudden fit enough I suppose it's all coincidence of course You can accept or not accept anything you like fella. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 23 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Currently it's 6.16 but if Ipswich / Sheffield was allowed to sign Musielak, what numbers would King's Lynn be working from? But why is that Daniel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, Aries said: But why is that Daniel? Because Musielak walked out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 51 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So, we're to accept that one week he's coming back, then a week later he's not returning to British Speedway because of injury but a call from Ipswich / Sheffield he's all of a sudden fit enough I suppose it's all coincidence of course 9 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Because Musielak walked out So we’re “to accept” that Musielak has been riding in this country for many years, for Wolves, Swindon, Sheffield, and been a loyal servant to all his clubs. But by some coincidence he rocks up at the complete circus that is King’s Lynn speedway and suddenly it’s boooo! He’s a bad egg who walks out on his clubs when according to you, someone else shows him a bit of skirt? I notice Bagpuss has been very quiet on this recently but he did hint that he’d “heard” what’s gone on, maybe you’d like to share what you’ve heard Bagpuss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Aries said: So we’re “to accept” that Musielak has been riding in this country for many years, for Wolves, Swindon, Sheffield, and been a loyal servant to all his clubs. But by some coincidence he rocks up at the complete circus that is King’s Lynn speedway and suddenly it’s boooo! He’s a bad egg who walks out on his clubs when according to you, someone else shows him a bit of skirt? I notice Bagpuss has been very quiet on this recently but he did hint that he’d “heard” what’s gone on, maybe you’d like to share what you’ve heard Bagpuss? All of it's irrelevant within accordance to the regulations. Seeing youz lot want the rules made up for your benefit, King's Lynn should be allowed guests of 75% of 12 for their benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, Daniel Smith said: All of it's irrelevant within accordance to the regulations. Seeing youz lot want the rules made up for your benefit, King's Lynn should be allowed guests of 75% of 12 for their benefit. Is that it?? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, Aries said: Is that it?? LOL Is what it?? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Racin Jason 72 said: The bigger question is WHY has musielak and tarasenko walked out on you. Bomber agreed terms with you and then choose Oxford. Even someone like Richard Lawson who was hugely successful for you didn’t return. why can’t you retain riders ? Musielak has ridden for wolves Swindon and Sheffield with an unblemished record and is popular with fans and management alike. there are always three sides to every story with the truth in the middle. I’ve only heard one side and if that’s true what I’ve heard I’m not surprised he hasn’t returned. I've always said Buster doesn't pay the best rates,but riders always get paid on time.Because he doesn't pay the most he often gets gazumped like he definitely did wit Bomber who would have been at Lynn this season.Same with Musielak,he come on Busters rates because he was left on the shelf by everyone.As soon as there is a hint of more money he wants out.I said as soon as he wasn't returning to the UK he had has ear bent because there was a vacancy going elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: TBF there was no tapping up involved. Ipswich have nothing to do with Musielak not returning to King’s Lynn. They’ve simply enquired as to his availability once it was known he wasn’t returning to Lynn. Whether you believe it or not is up to you of course. I thought he said he wasn't returning to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, DaveWayne said: Because it was after the specified cut off date for new signings. Your lack of understanding of the rules in question is disappointing. You’re the personification of ignorance is bliss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 15 minutes ago, tellboy said: I've always said Buster doesn't pay the best rates,but riders always get paid on time.Because he doesn't pay the most he often gets gazumped like he definitely did wit Bomber who would have been at Lynn this season.Same with Musielak,he come on Busters rates because he was left on the shelf by everyone.As soon as there is a hint of more money he wants out.I said as soon as he wasn't returning to the UK he had has ear bent because there was a vacancy going elsewhere. I remember that happening with Niklas Klingberg. Do you remember the club and promoter who gazumped him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 The whole situation is with Toby is an odd one, however with employment law regardless of speedway regulations I can’t see how anyone can prevent him earning a living? Toby doesn’t return to the Kings Lynn team after injury for whatever reason. He is then deemed to be withholding his services & receives a 28 day ban that’s fair enough. He is then released from his contract meaning that under employment law he is free to find a new employer. However he is prevented from doing so because even though he has been released from his contract, he has to remain declared in Kings Lynns 1-7 until they can sign a replacement. I’d love to see this get tested legally as it wouldn’t stand up & Toby would be free to sign for another club if that’s what he wished to do. He either has to be contracted & a declared team member or not contracted & therefore not declared. we don’t know the full story perhaps he doesn’t want to return to the uk this year & it’s all smoke & mirrors. Or perhaps he had enough of the circus that is kings Lynn speedway who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 55 minutes ago, tellboy said: I've always said Buster doesn't pay the best rates,but riders always get paid on time.Because he doesn't pay the most he often gets gazumped like he definitely did wit Bomber who would have been at Lynn this season.Same with Musielak,he come on Busters rates because he was left on the shelf by everyone.As soon as there is a hint of more money he wants out.I said as soon as he wasn't returning to the UK he had has ear bent because there was a vacancy going elsewhere. You are misinformed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Hypothetically, what should King's Lynn do if Musielak signs for Ipswich / Sheffield? Sign a 3 pointer? With no replacement, what regulation should King's Lynn work to for guests? Sign Dag Lovaas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: The whole situation is with Toby is an odd one, however with employment law regardless of speedway regulations I can’t see how anyone can prevent him earning a living? Toby doesn’t return to the Kings Lynn team after injury for whatever reason. He is then deemed to be withholding his services & receives a 28 day ban that’s fair enough. He is then released from his contract meaning that under employment law he is free to find a new employer. However he is prevented from doing so because even though he has been released from his contract, he has to remain declared in Kings Lynns 1-7 until they can sign a replacement. I’d love to see this get tested legally as it wouldn’t stand up & Toby would be free to sign for another club if that’s what he wished to do. He either has to be contracted & a declared team member or not contracted & therefore not declared. we don’t know the full story perhaps he doesn’t want to return to the uk this year & it’s all smoke & mirrors. Or perhaps he had enough of the circus that is kings Lynn speedway who knows. In a "Speedway court" Lynn / BSPL would simply say, were not preventing him from earning a living, he can ride for King's Lynn - don't think that would hold up in a "real" courtroom though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Hypothetically, what should King's Lynn do if Musielak signs for Ipswich / Sheffield? Sign a 3 pointer? With no replacement, what regulation should King's Lynn work to for guests? Rightly or wrongly, Musielak is still in Lynn's 1-7 to can't sign for another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, ouch said: Your lack of understanding of the rules in question is disappointing. You’re the personification of ignorance is bliss. Enlighten me then, oh wise one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 5 hours ago, 89buttons said: I mean speedway clubs can seemingly sack a rider at the drop of a hat so common sense would suggest contractually there isn’t a notice period in either direction as it can’t be one rule one way and not the other as such if a rider decided he wanted to leave his employer and take up another more appealing job elsewhere what’s the problem? The scb puts a 28 day withholding services ban on a rider and then surely they should be able to sign wherever they want no? if a team drops a rider the scb doesn’t then make the club who have dropped him pay start money for 28 days do they? No protection for riders being sacked but also if you decide you want to leave and ride somewhere else sorry mate we’re gonna block you from that. I pretty much agree with every point you make, it doesn't seem fair that a rider can be dropped instantly, but can't leave without a ban. But in this case is it not irrelevant? Musielak isn't fit enough to race in GB, he told us himself. So why would he be looking for another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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