dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: there's no helping some is there. He is OFFICIALLY RELEASED. Sacked or quit rider's have to remain in a line-up until replacements are found but they're OFFICIALLY RELEASED from contract. None contracted CANNOT guest. Every team has to have a 1-7 even if the rider is none-contracted. Which is utterly ridiculous - he is either declared or released - it cannot be both How can it possibly be right to confirm a contract as cancelled but then have any control over a new contract being agreed without any financial consideration provided to retain that condition 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, DaveWayne said: That would be when Sheffield used guests from within the British league ? Unlike the previous year when Belle Vue brought a rider in from Poland for the play offs. Said rider wasnt guesting though, he was actually signed. Which is what everyone wants isn't it? Not sure how people are justifying that a guest is a better option than a team actually signing a rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, therefused said: Said rider wasnt guesting though, he was actually signed. Which is what everyone wants isn't it? Not sure how people are justifying that a guest is a better option than a team actually signing a rider. Because it was after the specified cut off date for new signings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 22 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Which is utterly ridiculous - he is either declared or released - it cannot be both How can it possibly be right to confirm a contract as cancelled but then have any control over a new contract being agreed without any financial consideration provided to retain that condition Of course it's right. It's also been the rule for decades. It's only now an agitation because it effects your clubs plans. Secondly, it was Musielak's choice to walk away, why should King's Lynn make it easy for him & Ipswich / Sheffield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Of course it's right. It's also been the rule for decades. It's only now an agitation because it effects your clubs plans. Secondly, it was Musielak's choice to walk away, why should King's Lynn make it easy for him & Ipswich / Sheffield. Right, ridiculous or illogical - it just highlights how badly worded some of the regulations/rules are. How can you declare a rider in your team who is not contracted to ride for you? That’s the same as the mighty ITFC declaring Ronaldo in their squad and hoping that he might be kind enough to turn up for the odd match. Edited July 25 by JamesB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 26 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Secondly, it was Musielak's choice to walk away, why should King's Lynn make it easy for him & Ipswich / Sheffield. I mean speedway clubs can seemingly sack a rider at the drop of a hat so common sense would suggest contractually there isn’t a notice period in either direction as it can’t be one rule one way and not the other as such if a rider decided he wanted to leave his employer and take up another more appealing job elsewhere what’s the problem? The scb puts a 28 day withholding services ban on a rider and then surely they should be able to sign wherever they want no? if a team drops a rider the scb doesn’t then make the club who have dropped him pay start money for 28 days do they? No protection for riders being sacked but also if you decide you want to leave and ride somewhere else sorry mate we’re gonna block you from that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, JamesB said: Right, ridiculous or illogical - it just highlights how badly worded some of the regulations/rules are. How can you declare a rider in your team who does not have a contract to ride for you? That’s the same as the mighty ITFC declaring Ronaldo in their squad and hoping that he might be kind enough to turn up for the odd match. Hypothetically, what should King's Lynn do if Musielak signs for Ipswich / Sheffield? Sign a 3 pointer? With no replacement, what regulation should King's Lynn work to for guests? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, 89buttons said: I mean speedway clubs can seemingly sack a rider at the drop of a hat so common sense would suggest contractually there isn’t a notice period in either direction as it can’t be one rule one way and not the other as such if a rider decided he wanted to leave his employer and take up another more appealing job elsewhere what’s the problem? The scb puts a 28 day withholding services ban on a rider and then surely they should be able to sign wherever they want no? if a team drops a rider the scb doesn’t then make the club who have dropped him pay start money for 28 days do they? No protection for riders being sacked but also if you decide you want to leave and ride somewhere else sorry mate we’re gonna block you from that. So tapping up should just be accepted? Maybe Sheffield should figure out how to get Sayfutdinov in for Woffinden seeing as stealing rider's is the way forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 5 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Hypothetically, what should King's Lynn do if Musielak signs for Ipswich / Sheffield? Sign a 3 pointer? With no replacement, what regulation should King's Lynn work to for guests? The bigger question is WHY has musielak and tarasenko walked out on you. Bomber agreed terms with you and then choose Oxford. Even someone like Richard Lawson who was hugely successful for you didn’t return. why can’t you retain riders ? Musielak has ridden for wolves Swindon and Sheffield with an unblemished record and is popular with fans and management alike. there are always three sides to every story with the truth in the middle. I’ve only heard one side and if that’s true what I’ve heard I’m not surprised he hasn’t returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 16 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Hypothetically, what should King's Lynn do if Musielak signs for Ipswich / Sheffield? Sign a 3 pointer? With no replacement, what regulation should King's Lynn work to for guests? Musielak no longer has a contract with Kings Lynn and the 28 days has passed. They can sign who they want up to the points limit they have available. If they choose not to sign a new rider and wish to use guests then they continue with the 75% figure they have to use under the regulations as they stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, Racin Jason 72 said: The bigger question is WHY has musielak and tarasenko walked out on you. Bomber agreed terms with you and then choose Oxford. Even someone like Richard Lawson who was hugely successful for you didn’t return. why can’t you retain riders ? Musielak has ridden for wolves Swindon and Sheffield with an unblemished record and is popular with fans and management alike. there are always three sides to every story with the truth in the middle. I’ve only heard one side and if that’s true what I’ve heard I’m not surprised he hasn’t returned. As I've said before, we know why rider's leave King's Lynn. Lyon works his socks off to try and keep peace but their are 2 proper clowns at this club. At the same time, this sport can't allow tapping up and allow rider's to just leave and move elsewhere at the drop of a hat. This sport is struggling enough, that would just make it an even more so, absolute farce. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 5 minutes ago, JamesB said: Musielak no longer has a contract with Kings Lynn and the 28 days has passed. They can sign who they want up to the points limit they have available. If they choose not to sign a new rider and wish to use guests then they continue with the 75% figure they have to use under the regulations as they stand. What 75% figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 29 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So tapping up should just be accepted? Maybe Sheffield should figure out how to get Sayfutdinov in for Woffinden seeing as stealing rider's is the way forward TBF there was no tapping up involved. Ipswich have nothing to do with Musielak not returning to King’s Lynn. They’ve simply enquired as to his availability once it was known he wasn’t returning to Lynn. Whether you believe it or not is up to you of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: What 75% figure? Now that the 28 days has elapsed, any guest for Musielak can only have an average that is not in excess of 75% of Musielak’s. Hence, KL can only use a guest whose average is 6.16 or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: TBF there was no tapping up involved. Ipswich have nothing to do with Musielak not returning to King’s Lynn. They’ve simply enquired as to his availability once it was known he wasn’t returning to Lynn. Whether you believe it or not is up to you of course. So, we're to accept that one week he's coming back, then a week later he's not returning to British Speedway because of injury but a call from Ipswich / Sheffield he's all of a sudden fit enough I suppose it's all coincidence of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Just now, JamesB said: Now that the 28 days has elapsed, any guest for Musielak can only have an average that is not in excess of 75% of Musielak’s. Hence, KL can only use a guest whose average is 6.16 or lower. Musielak wouldn't be in the team though, so I think King's Lynn should have 75% of 12.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Musielak wouldn't be in the team though, so I think King's Lynn should have 75% of 12.00. I took that from Bald Bloke’s post on the KL/Ipswich thread. You may be correct but if you are, why would you use Kerr as a guest when you could use a guest with an average up to 9.00? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rearingtogo Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 30 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: As I've said before, we know why rider's leave King's Lynn. Lyon works his socks off to try and keep peace but their are 2 proper clowns at this club. At the same time, this sport can't allow tapping up and allow rider's to just leave and move elsewhere at the drop of a hat. This sport is struggling enough, that would just make it an even more so, absolute farce. Too be honest I cannot believe Rob Lyon don’t walk away full stop as it’s damaging his character working with the other 2 monkeys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, JamesB said: I took that from Bald Bloke’s post on the KL/Ipswich thread. You may be correct but if you are, why would you use Kerr as a guest when you could use a guest with an average up to 9.00? Currently it's 6.16 but if Ipswich / Sheffield was allowed to sign Musielak, what numbers would King's Lynn be working from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Jeeezarse, they say I moan about King's Lynn but at least I can end a conversation I've never heard anyone go on & on & on & about a subject on totally the wrong fackin' thread too. Oh my dayz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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