Byker Biker Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Per Jonsson another example. We're not in the EU anymore - even so, when they say they're 'banned' I think what they mean is a contractual penalty rather than an actual ban - e.g. if they do ride here they will lose their place in their Polish team and not be in contention for open meetings, riding for Poland etc. maybe even suspending their registration. No rider will want to lose all of that hence it works for the Polish teams to threaten it. Not quite, the Polish clubs have to agree start permission for their rider and withdraw it when it suits so they simply recall their rider. They did the same with Laguta last year on a match by match basis by issuing sick/injury notes through their track doctor. The game was up when they told KL by telephone that he'd had an injury but didn't tell their Doctor so he put a note out saying he had food poisoning! Disgraceful behaviour but the conspiracy theorists blamed Chapman when in fact he was the victim. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 (edited) 21 hours ago, StarBoy said: Kings Lynn already tried to stand up to them and got fined 2 points for breaching SCB regulations. It’s also the reason why Kvech isn’t making his debut tomorrow as there’s a rearranged Zielona Gora fixture because someone sold the Thursday protected race night to the highest bidder… Standing up to Poland would be telling their riders to turn up at Lynn or else. Or refusing to sign any Extraliga (1 or 2) riders. Calling off a match because you don't have a full team is NOT "standing up to Poland". Poland won't care if Lynn raced understrength or postponed the match as long as they get their riders. Edited June 13 by szkocjasid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stbender Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Until British speedway is stronger in every department than Poland we have no chance of clubs being able to push back any blocks the polish put on riders. Unfortunately we are so far behind them that it’s not viable to start the fight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, 1stbender said: Until British speedway is stronger in every department than Poland we have no chance of clubs being able to push back any blocks the polish put on riders. Unfortunately we are so far behind them that it’s not viable to start the fight. 100%.. Hence Thursday nights are now Poland's to do what they want with... Basically.. "You let us have Thursday's and we will let you have some of "our" riders". "(But only until it doesn't suit us for you to have them)" "Agreed? Great news. Just sign here, here, and here, please"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 On 6/11/2024 at 9:25 PM, The Dog said: Whichever way you dress the situation up and word it, it's a shambles and farcical. 100% - What makes it worse is that the SCB excepts this sh*tshow of an excuse and then validates it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 14 hours ago, Byker Biker said: Not quite, the Polish clubs have to agree start permission for their rider and withdraw it when it suits so they simply recall their rider. They did the same with Laguta last year on a match by match basis by issuing sick/injury notes through their track doctor. The game was up when they told KL by telephone that he'd had an injury but didn't tell their Doctor so he put a note out saying he had food poisoning! Disgraceful behaviour but the conspiracy theorists blamed Chapman when in fact he was the victim. Thanks for the added info. However if said Polish rider told them to do one, surely they could still ride here but not in Poland? Not sure how their visas work so maybe once granted to ride here they could continue for the season or would Poland contact the Home Office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 19 hours ago, Chris116 said: The last two videos of races in Poland I have seen on here the crowd looked very small. Is the bubble starting to burst which means that Polish promoters don't want to upset their remaining supporters? This is only based on two random videos which may have had the worst crowds of the season but it does raise suspicions. Every bubble will eventually burst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Thanks for the added info. However if said Polish rider told them to do one, surely they could still ride here but not in Poland? Not sure how their visas work so maybe once granted to ride here they could continue for the season or would Poland contact the Home Office? In that case Poland would withdraw his licence, could be different for non Polish Riders And then there's the money, can you earn more in Poland than than the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 29 minutes ago, The Third Man said: In that case Poland would withdraw his licence, could be different for non Polish Riders And then there's the money, can you earn more in Poland than than the UK Quite, and that's why a rider would be foolish to rebel and I don't think they'd ever get to that stage of withdrawing a licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTD26 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 20 hours ago, DJC said: the majority of crashes I've seen from over there are from rider errors , because they can only ride on snooker table tracks. The incident with Zischke this week the prime example. Riders over there are more of a hazard than the tracks over here. Those were my words too when I seen the video of Tate being wiped out. Now we have to go a week without him. Thankfully it’s nothing serious cause it could have been a lot worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 14 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Thanks for the added info. However if said Polish rider told them to do one, surely they could still ride here but not in Poland? Not sure how their visas work so maybe once granted to ride here they could continue for the season or would Poland contact the Home Office? The consent of the home federation/governing body (PZM)is required before start permission can be given by the ACU (devolved to SCB) and a certificate of sponsorship is then applied for. The Polish clubs now effectively have a veto by recalling their rider or not sanction start permission. It's very messy but when it works it works well but it's a farce when British riders are recalled for practice or sponsors activity and can't race for their British club the day before a crucial meeting in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 (edited) On 6/13/2024 at 10:26 PM, Byker Biker said: The consent of the home federation/governing body (PZM)is required before start permission can be given by the ACU (devolved to SCB) and a certificate of sponsorship is then applied for. The Polish clubs now effectively have a veto by recalling their rider or not sanction start permission. It's very messy but when it works it works well but it's a farce when British riders are recalled for practice or sponsors activity and can't race for their British club the day before a crucial meeting in Poland. GB does the same thing, Max James missing for a NDL match to appear at Edinburgh's press & practice event. British promoters can't complain about it happening to them, if they do it themselves, Leicester were even allowed a guest to cover for James, so the SCB / BSPL must have approved it? Edited June 23 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 Confirmed / my proposed guests for Tobi 24th June v Birmingham (a) - Rohan Tungate 27th June v Sheffield (a) - Richard Lawson 1st July v Leicester (h) - Tom Brennan 4th July v Birmingham (h) - Might have to go R/R as only BV not racing 15th July v Leicester (h) - Tobi should be back as suspension ends on 14th July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 On 6/13/2024 at 9:38 AM, CTD26 said: Those were my words too when I seen the video of Tate being wiped out. Now we have to go a week without him. Thankfully it’s nothing serious cause it could have been a lot worse. Klindt in the ambulance after a very similar incident! presumably they don’t teach that the throttle works both ways over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasser90 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Season over for klindt if the things I’m hearing are true. It’s all hearsay at the minute so best to wait until something official from the klindt team. Fingers crossed he’s ok though !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gasser90 said: Season over for klindt if the things I’m hearing are true. It’s all hearsay at the minute so best to wait until something official from the klindt team. Fingers crossed he’s ok though !! Lets hope so. Feel for the bloke. Edited June 23 by Bald Bloke spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) Best wishes to Klindt, The guy has no luck whatsoever when it comes to injuries. Some of these Polish throttle jockeys need to learn how to control a Speedway bike because it's not the first time an Amateur has caused an injury to an experienced rider recently on a Polish track (Chris Holder) Edited June 23 by TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 17 minutes ago, TTT said: Best wishes to Klindt, The guy has no luck whatsoever when it comes to injuries. Some of these Polish throttle jockeys need to learn how to control a Speedway bike because it's not the first time an Amateur has caused an injury to an experienced rider recently on a Polish track (Chris Holder) There’s a very long list…but they’ll have everyone believing riders get injured because ok UK tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTD26 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, DJC said: Klindt in the ambulance after a very similar incident! presumably they don’t teach that the throttle works both ways over there Yeah I’ve just seen the video of it was awful to watch. Nicolai probably done for the year with what they’re reporting. They’re so dangerous, apart from the select few, they cannot seem to handle the tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 A cervical spine injury was reported by Canal+,has to go to hospital for tests obviously.Lets hope it's not as bad as that and the early reports prove to be wrong.Fingers crossed for Klindt,he doesn't need another bad injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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