Noodles Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No he is a RS on the official list - one of which has to be utilised to satisfy the regulations There is no official Witch option in the circumstances so yours is a moot point really.... I suppose Joe Thompson could've been named but officially he is no more a Witch than Jack Smith by current declaration So not a full team of Witches then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Noodles said: So not a full team of Witches then. Splitting hairs there considering can't sign anyone now and can't use RR for the RS! For team building purposes only the 6 are included so you could argue yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 So just to muddy the waters I’ve just read the SCB regulations. They seem to state a guest is permitted for any rider in the teams teams top 3. More so a rider with a current match average can guest. Robet Lambert is showing an average of 7.81 which suggests that is an official match average as an assessed average is either 4.0 5.0 of 8.0 if I was Mr Louis I’d be on the phone to the solicitors today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 hours ago, SUPERACE said: Most probably not, but there is every chance meetings are called off this week so he could le be back yet. Also and I'm not a doctor but knocked out doesn't always lead to concussion, but I'm not sure of the rules regarding if it's automatic week rest. A person can be concussed without being knocked out. However being knocked out always involves being concussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Not allowed as on an assessed average 10 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Assessed average so not allowed 13 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: So just to muddy the waters I’ve just read the SCB regulations. They seem to state a guest is permitted for any rider in the teams teams top 3. More so a rider with a current match average can guest. Robet Lambert is showing an average of 7.81 which suggests that is an official match average as an assessed average is either 4.0 5.0 of 8.0 if I was Mr Louis I’d be on the phone to the solicitors today. Yes the latest declarations have Robert Lambert on an average of 7.81, how can that be an assessed average?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: So just to muddy the waters I’ve just read the SCB regulations. They seem to state a guest is permitted for any rider in the teams teams top 3. More so a rider with a current match average can guest. Robet Lambert is showing an average of 7.81 which suggests that is an official match average as an assessed average is either 4.0 5.0 of 8.0 if I was Mr Louis I’d be on the phone to the solicitors today. It's definitely assessed - it just happened to be assessed as his previously achieved average from years back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: It's definitely assessed - it just happened to be assessed as his previously achieved average from years back! I get what you’re saying, but it’s still an achieved averaged and not an assessed average for a newcomer. There’s surely grounds there to at least push surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: I get what you’re saying, but it’s still an achieved averaged and not an assessed average for a newcomer. There’s surely grounds there to at least push surely? I make a big thing about being annoyed when posters alter the way they want the regulations interpreted when it affects their team and don't plan to be hypocritical about this situation It may be harsh , stupid , wrong (take your pick) in many peoples view but it is what it is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: It's definitely assessed - it just happened to be assessed as his previously achieved average from years back! In which case the regulations suggest it’s classified as a match average as it’s not an assessed average of 4.0 5.0 or 8.0 & Lamberts average hasn’t been adjusted up or down allowing for three years of league absence. as always open to interpretation & more holes than Swiss cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I make a big thing about being annoyed when posters alter the way they want the regulations interpreted when it affects their team and don't plan to be hypocritical about this situation It may be harsh , stupid , wrong (take your pick) in many peoples view but it is what it is Yeah I get that, but that’s not the way I’d personally feel about it. To me, that’s not what an “assessed” average is, I’ve never thought of it that way. To me it’s an official green sheet average so no bending of the rules necessary. I’ve always thought an assessed average was an average assigned to a new rider that hasn’t yet achieved an official GSA. Edited September 17, 2023 by Arch Stanton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Get the lawyers on the phone I say. The Speedway rule book is full of nonsensical BS that clubs can exploit at any time if they're smart enough to spot the loopholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Yeah I get that, but that’s not the way I’d personally feel about it. To me, that’s not what an “assessed” average is, I’ve never thought of it that way. To me it’s an official green sheet average so no bending of the rules necessary. I’ve always thought an assessed average was an average assigned to a new rider that hasn’t yet achieved an official GSA. Spot on according to the SCB regulations Lamberts average is an match average & not accessed so he can guest for Doyle & it’s perfectly legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, TTT said: Get the lawyers on the phone I say. The Speedway rule book is full of nonsensical BS that clubs can exploit at any time if they're smart enough to spot the loopholes. But I don’t see it as a “loophole” to try and exploit. Robert Lambert has an official GSA currently of 7.81 so I wouldn’t look at it as “trying to get away with one”. Genuinely a bit baffled here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I make a big thing about being annoyed when posters alter the way they want the regulations interpreted when it affects their team and don't plan to be hypocritical about this situation It may be harsh , stupid , wrong (take your pick) in many peoples view but it is what it is Spot on. It may seem absurd that 7.81 is an assessed average, but as a matter of fact it is. And is clearly shown as such on the Greensheets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: In which case the regulations suggest it’s classified as a match average as it’s not an assessed average of 4.0 5.0 or 8.0 & Lamberts average hasn’t been adjusted up or down allowing for three years of league absence. as always open to interpretation & more holes than Swiss cheese. 13 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Yeah I get that, but that’s not the way I’d personally feel about it. To me, that’s not what an “assessed” average is, I’ve never thought of it that way. To me it’s an official green sheet average so no bending of the rules necessary. No argument from me that the way the regs are written is often poor - and sometimes the changes that they look to make to address this can actually makes things worse! With regard to returning riders the traditional 4 ,5 ,7 , 8 etc are irrelevant It states the figure CAN be amended (up or down). It doesn't state it HAS to be The fact it hasn't changed doesn't mean it can't be classed as assessed It probably is a lazy approach to the situation and also indicates a not wanting to rock the boat approach rather than a genuine professional knowledge assessment Even the standard assessments have been puzzling and not followed the normally accepted guide Edited September 17, 2023 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 On issue 32 of the Team Declarations https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2023-premiership-declarations/ Robert Lambert has an * against his name. The key says that means an assessed average 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No argument from me that the way the regs are written is often poor - and sometimes the changes that they look to make to address this can actually makes things worse! With regard to returning riders the traditional 4 ,5 ,7 , 8 etc are irrelevant It states the figure CAN be amended (up or down). It doesn't state it HAS to be The fact it hasn't changed doesn't mean it can't be classed as assessed It probably is a lazy approach to the situation and also indicates a not wanting to rock the boat approach rather than a genuine professional knowledge assessment Even the standard assessments have been puzzling and not followed the normally accepted guide If he was available you’d think Sheffield would have probably used him instead of Fricke last Monday when Lynn weren’t riding so you’re more than likely correct. It’s just another rule that I hadn’t even thought about to be honest. Same as the rule about not being able to use a rising star guest from Leicester but perfectly fine to use their number 1 as a guest. I get lost with half these rules these days and most seem to make little sense to me. Edited September 17, 2023 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Anyway forecast isn’t particularly great for tomorrow. Showers off and on pretty much all day although the forecast I saw there was nothing substantial and it’s improved slightly from yesterday. Time for it to improve more before tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: If he was available you’d think Sheffield would have probably used him instead of Fricke last Monday when Lynn weren’t riding so you’re more than likely correct. It’s just another rule that I hadn’t even thought about to be honest. Same as the rule about not being able to use a rising star guest from Leicester but perfectly fine to use their number 1 as a guest. I get lost with half these rules these days and most seem to make little sense to me. Indeed Also it may well be that Sheffileld use Fricke in all their remaing meetings. So no signings allowed post the end of August but effectively that's what he would be in all but name! (Mind you a team using the same replacement has a semblance of integrity that other options don't imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: Anyway forecast isn’t particularly great for tomorrow. Showers off and on pretty much all day although the forecast I saw there was nothing substantial and it’s improved slightly from yesterday. Time for it to improve more before tomorrow. Belle Vue to their credit have shown the ability to run in conditions that other tracks couldn't cope with (far from ideal but possible) Given this and the complications (TV , further date extensions etc) that a postponement would cause I would expect it to go ahead unless Noah turns up with his ark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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