Paulco Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Don't see what all the greeting and gnashing of teeth is all about , apart from about 2 or 3 , then the odd mercenary coming here once Poland is done for them , Vadim is basically riding against the same riders in both leagues anyway . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Jaizer said: If Poole had signed rew (as was rumoured) and he started at ippo and Poole on same average would there been as much response as this? Yes tarasenko is clearly better than 5 in both leagues but it's essentially same thing Yes. Because it’s nothing to do with the rider, it’s all to do with the ridiculousness of the rule. And of course people would also moan because Poole would have been involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Yearbyred said: Yes is the answer. Especially if it was Poole. The issue is that Vlad has ridden over here for a few months and is averaging over a point more than 5 in the higher league, so the loophole allowed a team (Glasgow) in this case to sign him, just before he got his real average. The rule is clearly wrong and needs addressing. I don't even think that is the issue. That applies to all riders. The issue is that a rider is assessed the same in both leagues when everyone knows they should be assessed with a higher average in the lower league. Everyone except the promoters who voted for it anyway! I would be interested to hear from a promoter who voted for it and their reasoning behind it. I could do with a laugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Yearbyred said: Yes is the answer. Especially if it was Poole. The issue is that Vlad has ridden over here for a few months and is averaging over a point more than 5 in the higher league, so the loophole allowed a team (Glasgow) in this case to sign him, just before he got his real average. The rule is clearly wrong and needs addressing. It’s not really loophole though just a bit of smart business by Glasgow realising he was 5pt man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Lisa....don't Poole fans usually take over 'ALL' Championship threads? LOL No offence...just teasing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: It’s not really loophole though just a bit of smart business by Glasgow realising he was 5pt man. It’s definitely a loophole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: It’s definitely a loophole. No it isn't, just because you think the rulebook is wrong doesn't mean its a loophole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 It only appears to be a ridiculous rule now that Glasgow had the foresight to make an enforced change. No comment about it before then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, therefused said: No it isn't, just because you think the rulebook is wrong doesn't mean its a loophole. I think it’s a loophole because the same rider wouldn’t have been available on the assessed average just a few days later. He’s ridden in the UK for a couple of months, in a higher league and is averaging 1.45 more in that league than his assessed average. Glasgow fans getting very defensive about it as if I’m saying Glasgow are at fault. I’m not, it’s the rule that’s at fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Certainly looks like a loophole and walks like a loophole and smells like a loophole. Even if the Mighty Monarchs had done it, it would still have been a loophole. No-one's commented before now because no-one knew the "loophole" existed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Yearbyred said: Glasgow fans getting very defensive about it as if I’m saying Glasgow are at fault. I’m not, it’s the rule that’s at fault. Definitely not Glasgow's fault. They have found the loophole and taken advantage. Quite a surprise really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Loophole: an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. It is a loophole. Fair play to Glasgow for exploiting it. It’s legal, but it is a loophole. 4 hours ago, Grachan said: I don't even think that is the issue. That applies to all riders. The issue is that a rider is assessed the same in both leagues when everyone knows they should be assessed with a higher average in the lower league. Everyone except the promoters who voted for it anyway! I would be interested to hear from a promoter who voted for it and their reasoning behind it. I could do with a laugh. I’d assume the promoters in both leagues agreed that assessed riders should come in on a five without checking with the other league to see where they stood on the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Loophole: an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. It is a loophole. Fair play to Glasgow for exploiting it. It’s legal, but it is a loophole. I’d assume the promoters in both leagues agreed that assessed riders should come in on a five without checking with the other league to see where they stood on the matter. I wouldn't call it a loophole. Surely a loophole is a way of getting round a rule or finding a way of evading it. So it's not really that. The rule is the rule and they have used it as it is. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Grachan said: I wouldn't call it a loophole. Surely a loophole is a way of getting round a rule or finding a way of evading it. So it's not really that. The rule is the rule and they have used it as it is. I’d say it’s an ambiguity, it’s certainly an inadequacy, therefore a loophole. By the dictionary definition at least. Either way, done is done, and it’s given us all something to debate on here… I agree. Glasgow have done nothing wrong. The opportunity for them to do that shouldn’t have been there in the first place though. Edited September 12, 2023 by Ben91 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Quite ironic we are now trying to assess what a loophole is ….. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted September 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I know the title is for assessed averages. But can we look at the ridiculousness that is the average system. "Is a single number taken as a representative of a list of numbers" But how can we have riders averages calculated when we miss up to over 50% of their competitive matches? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 All I know is, that if Poole had done it, it would have been called cheating. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, daz9100 said: All I know is, that if Poole had done it, it would have been called cheating. No it wouldn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, therefused said: No it wouldn’t Oh yes it would! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 He's behind you! Sorry I thought it was a pantomime for a minute there 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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