Cast1rn Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 With the chat all over the socials over the "fake average" that Taresenko is carrying, what would be the rule change to make it fairer? With the term Fake Averages, let's have a quick reality check. If Poole make it to the final then it's riders will have 55% of their competitive meetings scorings not count towards their GSA's. Edinburgh riders will have 26% of their meetings not count towards their GSA's.The rest of the Playoffs teams riders fill in the gaps between Edinburgh and Poole. Surely averages and assessed averages need to be reviewed to have an accurate account for the riders abilities not wether they have ridden in a certain country or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 The issue with Tarasenko’s assessed average is that it was the same in both leagues. Glasgow just managed to take advantage of that loophole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Ben91 said: The issue with Tarasenko’s assessed average is that it was the same in both leagues. Glasgow just managed to take advantage of that loophole. The reality currently is if a team had the money and the desire they could go to Poland and pick up multiple riders, riding in the Ekstraliga, League 1 and 2 and bring them all in on assessed 5's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 BSPA should agree on a conversion rate from polish league average to premiership average (then covert it at normal rate to champ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, eric i said: BSPA should agree on a conversion rate from polish league average to premiership average (then covert it at normal rate to champ). That's the problem, you have 3 leagues in Poland and riders riding 1-7 so a fixed number doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ben91 said: The issue with Tarasenko’s assessed average is that it was the same in both leagues. Glasgow just managed to take advantage of that loophole. Don’t see the problem ,anybody could have signed him on that average,where’s the loophole.Glasgow took the chance to sign him when he became available.It wasn’t a secret.If Marcin Novak had signed for aPremiership Team what would have been his average.I assume a 5. Edited September 11, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: That's the problem, you have 3 leagues in Poland and riders riding 1-7 so a fixed number doesn't work. With the aid of a spreadsheet and linear regression it really isn't that difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: That's the problem, you have 3 leagues in Poland and riders riding 1-7 so a fixed number doesn't work. Its not that hard to come up with 3 numbers for the 3 leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 If Poole had signed rew (as was rumoured) and he started at ippo and Poole on same average would there been as much response as this? Yes tarasenko is clearly better than 5 in both leagues but it's essentially same thing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, arnieg said: With the aid of a spreadsheet and linear regression it really isn't that difficult That sounds like something I'd like to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted September 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Add to the craziness that an Aussie rider coming over for their first season on a 4, could have a stinker and have a rolling average of 2.5 but are stuck on a 4 for the following season team building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jaizer said: If Poole had signed rew (as was rumoured) and he started at ippo and Poole on same average would there been as much response as this? Yes tarasenko is clearly better than 5 in both leagues but it's essentially same thing Yes is the answer. Especially if it was Poole. The issue is that Vlad has ridden over here for a few months and is averaging over a point more than 5 in the higher league, so the loophole allowed a team (Glasgow) in this case to sign him, just before he got his real average. The rule is clearly wrong and needs addressing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, Yearbyred said: Yes is the answer. Especially if it was Poole. The issue is that Vlad has ridden over here for a few months and is averaging over a point more than 5 in the higher league, so the loophole allowed a team (Glasgow) in this case to sign him, just before he got his real average. The rule is clearly wrong and needs addressing. Don't remember it ever coming up during the winter when rew was getting linked (maybe we didn't know, possibly more likely). What I'm really meaning is that if it had been seen already on a lower level then I don't think be an issue. It's because it's first time and such an obviously daft interpretation people going a bit crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 “Obviously daft interpretation” sums it up I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Add to the craziness that an Aussie rider coming over for their first season on a 4, could have a stinker and have a rolling average of 2.5 but are stuck on a 4 for the following season team building. That's a great rule imo, why would you want promoters to fly in an Aussie who only averages 2.5, rather than give a 2.0 Brit a chance? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) I would suggest foreign riders start on 5.00 aves in Prem & can't drop below 4.00. Start on 6.00 aves in Champ, can't drop below 5.00. Would help stop the likes of Dan T, Kemp, Rowe & Bailey who didn't have team spots initially missing out after increasing their averages. I'm not saying don't allow foreign riders, just don't continuously sign new Aussies in the hope of finding the next Darcy Ward over Brits. If Poland can look after their future, why can't we? Edited September 11, 2023 by szkocjasid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 37 minutes ago, Jaizer said: If Poole had signed rew (as was rumoured) and he started at ippo and Poole on same average would there been as much response as this? Yes tarasenko is clearly better than 5 in both leagues but it's essentially same thing Don't you go bringing us into it!! Plus we have had similar when we had Lindback on a 4, way back in 2004 I believe as he didn't do enough meetings in 2003 to get an average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, lisa-colette said: Don't you go bringing us into it!! Plus we have had similar when we had Lindback on a 4, way back in 2004 I believe as he didn't do enough meetings in 2003 to get an average. I wasn't having a go at Poole (this time) was just the only other example where it almost happened this season prior to now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Jaizer said: If Poole had signed rew (as was rumoured) and he started at ippo and Poole on same average would there been as much response as this? Yes tarasenko is clearly better than 5 in both leagues but it's essentially same thing It would certainly be more than 2 pages by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Don't you go bringing us into it!! Plus we have had similar when we had Lindback on a 4, way back in 2004 I believe as he didn't do enough meetings in 2003 to get an average. Lisa....don't Poole fans usually take over 'ALL' Championship threads? LOL No offence...just teasing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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