maneacat Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 hours ago, StarBoy said: Either way, it's not Busters fault at Lynn or Peterborough. The fact of the matter is, the man has contractual obligations to fulfil and that includes participating in every meeting that he is scheduled too. The fact that he/Wroclaw is skirting around the rules by using a contrived "injury" should not be permissible in any form. He is essentially "withholding services" without the ban. Of course, Buster probably shouldn't have been so naive to re-sign him with Peterborough as he does have previous, but whether Wroclaw have injuries or not, he still has a contractual obligation to Peterborough the same he does Wroclaw. Imagine if, for example the shoe was on the other foot, the Polish lawyers would be coming with their pitchforks full force at UK speedway. So I ask the question why is the SCB or whoever deals with these situations not doing anything about it? Whatever the whys and wherevers Buster is complicit in it even if not his doing/suggestion/instruction to Laguta that’s causing him to miss this meeting BECAUSE we all know only to well that Buster does not take kindly to any rider messing him about - ie the Holder/Batchelor fiasco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 I’m not sure what people aren't quite understanding about this situation. If you have two jobs (doing the same trade) with two different companies and one of those employers is paying considerably more than the other you are going to do what that one is paying the most says. One of his employers had 15,000 in last night and his other will probably have 1,500 tonight. Artem didn’t ride like a man not committed last Monday and nor the previous Monday when he got clean bowled yet got up and won the re run and then pulled out the meeting. I agree some clarity on the situation would be nice but unfortunately that’s just business sometimes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, maneacat said: Whatever the whys and wherevers Buster is complicit in it even if not his doing/suggestion/instruction to Laguta that’s causing him to miss this meeting BECAUSE we all know only to well that Buster does not take kindly to any rider messing him about - ie the Holder/Batchelor fiasco! It might surprise some, coming from me (ahem Manecaat) . But it does make you think.. Normally you would sit down with a riders manager, if we are talking that quality of rider, given what the Poles are like... Go through all the meetings and dates that the rider is going to be contracted to ride in, and then sign the deal. Obviously there's other things to negotiate, money spanner man, travel, hotels, van and more. But you both know all the meetings your expected/ contracted to ride in. I don't know, but i'm thinking that this contract might not be your standard one. As you said ,would Buster hire AL if he missed those meetings for Lynn previously if under contract to ride in them.? Buster would of re negotiated with AL after Alex had left, that's for sure. What that deal is we can only guess, until someone comes out and tells us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: I’m not sure what people aren't quite understanding about this situation. If you have two jobs (doing the same trade) with two different companies and one of those employers is paying considerably more than the other you are going to do what that one is paying the most says. One of his employers had 15,000 in last night and his other will probably have 1,500 tonight. Artem didn’t ride like a man not committed last Monday and nor the previous Monday when he got clean bowled yet got up and won the re run and then pulled out the meeting. I agree some clarity on the situation would be nice but unfortunately that’s just business sometimes. But he’s contracted to ride for you, and his other job doesn’t clash with it. Ask Doyle, Sayfutdinov etc., it’s possible to do both. If he couldn’t commit to all meetings he shouldn’t have signed the contract. End of. It actually makes it less tricky for us tonight but I still think it’s wrong. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) I fully understand that the Wroclaw meeting is more important but Its just the lies I don't like about an ankle injury... Edited September 11, 2023 by chrismorton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 For me Wroclaw need Laguta a hell of a lot more than he needs them, Woffinden, Wright, Janowski all picking up injuries. What if Laguta said to Wroclaw "I've signed a contract to ride for Peterborough & I'm going to honour that contract" what can they do? Fine him, ban him from riding here (is that legal?) Then what if Laguta replies with "screw you, I won't race in the final for you then" would Wroclaw really throw away a chance at the league title - hell no! I know top riders will pretty much do whatever the Polish clubs tell them due to the wages they are getting, but what's to stop them even "bluffing" that he won't ride for them if he can't ride for Peterborough? Even if he 100% plans to ride for Wroclaw anyway - they won't know that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, chrismorton said: I fully understand that you he Wroclaw meeting is more important but Its just the lies I don't like about an ankle injury... Purely told to get a guest facility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Dead cats vs Dead dogs tonight 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Quiet night for overtaking here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Panthers looking very good again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Not really, I think its been a mixture of Buster telling him to sit meetings out as he couldn't afford to pay him and Wroclaw pulling rank and telling him to sit meetings out so he is fit for their matches. All down to money unfortunately, I genuinely believe that if it was up to the rider he wouldn't have missed any. I don't disagree that it's a disgrace though. Absolutely not, Wroclaw have called the shots from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 If our last ever league meeting is on Thursday, I really hope Artem is available to ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: But he’s contracted to ride for you, and his other job doesn’t clash with it. Ask Doyle, Sayfutdinov etc., it’s possible to do both. If he couldn’t commit to all meetings he shouldn’t have signed the contract. End of. It actually makes it less tricky for us tonight but I still think it’s wrong. The Polish Clubs have to agree in writing that their rider can race for a UK club before a 1-7 can be approved. They can withdraw their consent as they see fit as in the example of Wonkyo. This situation has been brought about from the start of this season, Wroclaw have been pulling Laguta's strings from day 1 and most of you have chosen to blame Chapman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: Absolutely not, Wroclaw have called the shots from day 1. Absolutely not what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, chrismorton said: I fully understand that the Wroclaw meeting is more important but Its just the lies I don't like about an ankle injury... It's whatever the medical certificate (bent doctor) says. Imagine being told "he" has an ankle injury then the medical certificate (bent doctor) forgets which rider is being invalidated and submits a medical certificate saying "food poisoning" to the controlling body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: The Polish Clubs have to agree in writing that their rider can race for a UK club before a 1-7 can be approved. They can withdraw their consent as they see fit as in the example of Wonkyo. This situation has been brought about from the start of this season, Wroclaw have been pulling Laguta's strings from day 1 and most of you have chosen to blame Chapman. Not under Alex they wasn't. Can't say the same under Buster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Bagpuss said: Absolutely not what? Anything to do with Chapman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Byker Biker said: Anything to do with Chapman Not even the home meeting against Peterborough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Not under Alex they wasn't. Can't say the same under Buster. Ask Alex who agreed he didn't have to ride at Wolverhampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 11, 2023 Report Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, Byker Biker said: Ask Alex who agreed he didn't have to ride at Wolverhampton. I know for a fact that AL signed for the Wolves meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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