Richie Worrall statement

[IainB]

2 minutes ago, RBThirdbend said:

The unfortunate thing is their names are out there now and everyone can jump to their own conclusions before really knowing the outcome

Innocent until named in the media

Edited September 7, 2023 by iainb

[40-38]

13 minutes ago, iainb said:

Innocent until named in the media

Trouble is it wasn’t difficult to work out. They didn’t name them but we knew before the meeting was even finished. 

[IainB]

2 minutes ago, 40-38 said:

Trouble is it wasn’t difficult to work out. They didn’t name them but we knew before the meeting was even finished. 

I'd pretty much worked it out before the meeting had started because neither team were allowed a facility and that seems to be the only circumstances where this is the case... which is also something that needs looking at. Crazy that no facility is allowed, but the very next day one is. It not only short changes the fans but if a facility had been allowed you could conceivably believe that the rider(s) had fallen ill shortly before the meeting, anonymity preserved... possibly

[Hamish McRaker]

I just wonder how genuinely random the selection of riders, really is? Both Morris and Worrall were riding soon after sustaining and suffering from injuries which had recently prevented them from riding for a short time. Making them prime targets.

[Arch Stanton]

I know cost has been mentioned but it’s crazy in a sport as dangerous as this that not everyone is tested before every meeting. It’s one thing testing in a sport like athletics where nobody can possibly get hurt, but in a sport where riders can and sometimes are, paralysed or killed it beggars belief that there’s not compulsory testing for every rider before meetings. 

[Mr Blobby]

Worrall offered to take a second test at Plymouth on Tuesday as he was in that much disbelief that it didn’t come back clear. They refused to let him take one as the first one came back inconclusive.

[IainB]

5 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Worrall offered to take a second test at Plymouth on Tuesday as he was in that much disbelief that it didn’t come back clear. They refused to let him take one as the first one came back inconclusive.

That's because that is the procedure... no matter how much he dislikes it. He could have p1ssed out any contaminants in his first test, that's the point of having a single test, he could be continuously p1ssing into a bottle until midnight, that is not the procedure and for very good reason

Edited September 7, 2023 by iainb

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

That’s a weak statement from Worrall, I’m afraid. Of course his own test produced a different result; that’s biology and taking such irrelevant action is purely for his own benefit.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course, but this doesn’t look great.

I by no means know the full script, but I do know that non-negative result is the consequence of a banned substance being detected and awaiting confirmation from the guys with the gloves and beakers.

[Racin Jason 72]

Was it ever made public what Ben Barker had in his test results which caused his ban ? 
im guessing painkillers of some sort as it was a 6 month ban. 

[noaksey]

54 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

I know cost has been mentioned but it’s crazy in a sport as dangerous as this that not everyone is tested before every meeting. It’s one thing testing in a sport like athletics where nobody can possibly get hurt, but in a sport where riders can and sometimes are, paralysed or killed it beggars belief that there’s not compulsory testing for every rider before meetings. 

There's not mandatory testing in boxing either, Matchroom are currently considering it for their fighters/shows, apparently the costs are absolutely astronomical though albeit these are blood tests not just urine.

Mandatory testing is beyond the scope of speedway currently, who would pay?

[krompa]

Can anyone trust a rider who is blacklisted by bookmakers for match/scores fixing? 

 

[SPEEDY69]

1 hour ago, iainb said:

Absolutely spot on, I've just had a quick look on socials this morning and the amount of people blaming everybody and anybody but Worrall is quite unbelievable. The SCB/BSPL may have their faults but this has absolutely nothing to do with them and they'll be running their drug testing using a 3rd party adhering to tried and tested methods that will stand up to legal scrutiny. The whole point of the test is that it's done without warning... he took a test the next day... he may as well take the test in a few weeks, his test may as well test a thousand different categories, unfortunately for him it means absolutely nothing.

 

That's true.  It is of course understandable that he'd try anything to help his case, as I would and until proper testing takes place no-one can know what substance was detected.  

[IainB]

24 minutes ago, noaksey said:

who would pay?

The rider?

[Bald Bloke]

19 minutes ago, noaksey said:

There's not mandatory testing in boxing either, Matchroom are currently considering it for their fighters/shows, apparently the costs are absolutely astronomical though albeit these are blood tests not just urine.

Mandatory testing is beyond the scope of speedway currently, who would pay?

 This type of test is so cheap every rider could take one. It says it's 99% accurate, and tests for 10 drugs. The lab fee could be paid by the ride via a fine if proved guilty in the lab test. Before i get shot down, i don't know anything about drug testing, but are these much different from the pee test ones they use at meetings?

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[Bagpuss]

2 hours ago, iainb said:

Absolutely spot on, I've just had a quick look on socials this morning and the amount of people blaming everybody and anybody but Worrall is quite unbelievable. The SCB/BSPL may have their faults but this has absolutely nothing to do with them and they'll be running their drug testing using a 3rd party adhering to tried and tested methods that will stand up to legal scrutiny. The whole point of the test is that it's done without warning... he took a test the next day... he may as well take the test in a few weeks, his test may as well test a thousand different categories, unfortunately for him it means absolutely nothing.

Speedway supporters fawn over riders unfortunately, half the reason why they think its run for them and not the fans/clubs.

[noaksey]

10 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

 This type of test is so cheap every rider could take one. It says it's 99% accurate, and tests for 10 drugs. The lab fee could be paid by the ride via a fine if proved guilty in the lab test. Before i get shot down, i don't know anything about drug testing, but are these much different from the pee test ones they use at meetings?

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So someone from the testing agency has to be at every single meeting staged, then how do you ensure that 14 riders do their sample without outside influence/tampering? Presumably they need to be held in a zone until all tests are completed etc given speedways facilities I'd imagine that's going to be very difficult.

 

 

[scoobydoo]

If Ritchie Worrall is protesting his innocence,  does that make Steve Boxall guilty for saying nothing .

[screm]

2 hours ago, Aries said:

Well if you’re fully aware you wouldn’t have just made that post as it makes no sense and is pointless. People can scream “I’m innocent” all they like and take as many different tests as they like, it matters not! If the “B” sample comes back negative then he’ll have all the clearance and evidence he needs to clear his name and crack on racing. Let’s hope that’s the case. 

Absolutely, Worralls private test isn't in question as I am sure it showed whatever Worrall claims it showed, however its the Plymouth test where the issue is and the one that sees Worrall`s license currently suspended, if Worrall can provide evidence to show the test was faulty, or the test is just plain wrong then fine.

[Robbee]

Just for clarification purposes if nothing else ....

My understanding when Nick Morris got banned he took an initial test on the night which came back non-negative and then refused to take a second test??

Richie Worrall suffered a non-negative test on the night at Plymouth and was then refused a second test on the night if he is to be believed?

So exactly what is the protocol?

 

 

[Bald Bloke]

13 minutes ago, noaksey said:

So someone from the testing agency has to be at every single meeting staged, then how do you ensure that 14 riders do their sample without outside influence/tampering? Presumably they need to be held in a zone until all tests are completed etc given speedways facilities I'd imagine that's going to be very difficult.

 

 

There used to have to be a track doctor at every meeting. I don't know if there still is. Or maybe the home club pays for one for 2 hours a meeting to do/ over see the tests. I dunno, like i say  i ain't got a clue about drug testing. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Bald Bloke