KO cup final dates Witches v Tigers 2023

[cowboy cookie returns?]

2 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Chris Holder..  It's been 12 years since iv'e been here, and i ain't missed it a bit. You can't race on that 

And the quality riders like Doyle & Emil can ride them all

[89buttons]

1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said:

Maybe the Ward thing hit Holder more than some thought. It was Poole against him tonight, i think he would have jacked. Same as he did at Lynn

Chris hasn’t been the same rider since darcy’s injury no doubt and can’t blame him to be deeply affected either really given how close they are, he’s had his fair share of pretty frightening crashes and subsequent injuries too tbf

[TTT]

1 minute ago, 89buttons said:

Ride it hard then! Simples! Can’t understand why he’s come back to uk racing if he’s just gonna moan about the uk tracks

Top up the retirement fund with some easier money compared to the competition he'd face in Poland/Sweden, They all come back to the league when their careers are coming to an end.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

On 9/9/2023 at 8:59 AM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Fricke a very decent replacement for Woffy - certainly any perceived weakening there is more than offset by Vissing being missing

Too close to call overall - could come down to which side gets that little bit of extra luck at a crucial time

If ever Erik and Keynan wanted an opportunity to repay the loyalty and faith shown in them these next few weeks are it......

Installment 1 successfully paid in. Good job fellas 

[GeneralMelchett]

1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Installment 1 successfully paid in. Good job fellas 

Now about Monday night!! 
 

A more successful era for the Witches - pairs last season and the cup this season -  and maybe playoff final but let’s not get giddy!! 
 

one could say that they are being rewarded for sticking and not twisting who knows but I plan to be there Monday! 

[Pinny]

Holder hasnt been the same since he had that massive crash not long after he won the world title - was well before Wards crash. 

[Roger Jacobs]

1 hour ago, Moranboys said:

Well done Ipswich......but, Holder was spot on with his summing up of the track and the racing.

Interesting that on Monday, Musielak said he liked the slick starts at Sheffield.  Tonight, the starting gate at Foxhall couldn't have been more different - after 15 heats it was still damp and even felt "soft".

Holder obviously psyched himself out - he looked ordinary. Howarth and Pickering were also poor, especially when you consider they are both very capable of riding smaller tracks. Pickering didn't even look like he could turn with confidence until his last ride.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Roger Jacobs

[Wee Eck]

I don’t understand the pile on to Chris Holder. He was signed on just over 7 and averaged 7.5 over the two legs. 
If fingers need to be pointed they should be pointed on whoever was making team change decisions at Sheffield. I sudiect someone thought it was smart to bring Tai in when waiting for Jack to return would have made sense. 
A bit like the gut reaction changes at Leicester…..

Anyway, well done Ipswich who seem to be hitting form at exactly the right time

[Arch Stanton]

20 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

And on the old narrow track too

It wasn’t Cookie, 2010 was the first season after the widening during that winter. It’s had another couple of minor alterations since then but nothing as drastic as the original work done that winter. 

[TTT]

9 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Interesting that on Monday, Musielak said he liked the slick starts at Sheffield.  Tonight, the starting gate at Foxhall couldn't have been more different - after 15 heats it was still damp and even felt "soft".

Holder obviously psyched himself out - he looked ordinary. Howarth and Pickering were also poor, especially when you consider they are both very capable of riding smaller tracks. Pickering didn't even look like he could turn with confidence until his last ride.

I can't recall Picko ever having a good meeting around Foxhall which is a surprise considering he's been a Monarchs rider for a few years now.

[Arch Stanton]

1 minute ago, TTT said:

I can't recall Picko ever having a good meeting around Foxhall which is a surprise considering he's been a Monarchs rider for a few years now.

You beat me to it. I’m sure he must have but I can’t recall Pickering winning a race at Foxhall last couple of seasons! He’s absolutely dreadful here. 

[Bald Bloke]

18 minutes ago, TTT said:

I can't recall Picko ever having a good meeting around Foxhall which is a surprise considering he's been a Monarchs rider for a few years now.

It's not his best track, thats for sure..

[Gavan]

Brilliant night 

Chris Holder absolute pansy …. Beaten before turning a wheel rode like a novice at times … unless it’s smooth he isn’t interested….. watch how Doyle and Emil attacked it and King and even Musielek was trying 

Also sums Holder up that he didn’t bother coming out to get his medal … Compared to Musielek who came off the podium and shook hands with numerous Ipswich fans and congratulated them ….. Musielek a class act … Chris Holder shouldn’t have bothered coming back just to whinge 

And that forum prat Shovler saying about the track …. Clueless 

As for the match 

EMIL - sublime ..missed the start in heat one but after that awesome … been a marvellous signing and fitted in to British speedway a fans favourite and a credit to the sport 

HUME - busted a gut .. unlucky fall but did his job well

KING - been brilliant these 2 matches to see us through 

RISS - his points didn’t show reward for his efforts 

DOYLE - class … must be him and Emil again

REW - 9 from 5…. That’s why reserves win you matches 

JOE - awesome effort on heat 2 couldn’t ask for more 

For Sheffield …. Fricke faded and looked slow late on… Howarth and Pickering awful tonight … Musielek battled hard and deserved more … Newman was pretty poor but young Edwards rode well …… Chris Holder … well lol

Great to let the fans on the centre green for the presentation was a party atmosphere 

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

Yeah that’s fine, but then don’t allow a guest at 1 either then, run R/R. My argument is allowing one but not another and I still haven’t seen a valid reason why a guest can’t be used for your number 7 but perfectly ok further up. 

Your argument makes perfect sense, allowing teams to cover missing riders equally. I just feel the "two wrongs don't make a right" philosophy (while not totally accurate) would be used to agree with the current ruling.

[Bald Bloke]

4 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Brilliant night 

Chris Holder absolute pansy …. Beaten before turning a wheel rode like a novice at times … unless it’s smooth he isn’t interested….. watch how Doyle and Emil attacked it and King and even Musielek was trying 

Also sums Holder up that he didn’t bother coming out to get his medal … Compared to Musielek who came off the podium and shook hands with numerous Ipswich fans and congratulated them ….. Musielek a class act … Chris Holder shouldn’t have bothered coming back just to whinge 

And that forum prat Shovler saying about the track …. Clueless 

As for the match 

EMIL - sublime ..missed the start in heat one but after that awesome … been a marvellous signing and fitted in to British speedway a fans favourite and a credit to the sport 

HUME - busted a gut .. unlucky fall but did his job well

KING - been brilliant these 2 matches to see us through 

RISS - his points didn’t show reward for his efforts 

DOYLE - class … must be him and Emil again

REW - 9 from 5…. That’s why reserves win you matches 

JOE - awesome effort on heat 2 couldn’t ask for more 

For Sheffield …. Fricke faded and looked slow late on… Howarth and Pickering awful tonight … Musielek battled hard and deserved more … Newman was pretty poor but young Edwards rode well …… Chris Holder … well lol

Great to let the fans on the centre green for the presentation was a party atmosphere 

Same at Lynn when the meeting was completed and the reserves rode it..

[szkocjasid]

45 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I don’t understand the pile on to Chris Holder. He was signed on just over 7 and averaged 7.5 over the two legs. 
If fingers need to be pointed they should be pointed on whoever was making team change decisions at Sheffield. I sudiect someone thought it was smart to bring Tai in when waiting for Jack to return would have made sense. 
A bit like the gut reaction changes at Leicester…..

Anyway, well done Ipswich who seem to be hitting form at exactly the right time

But if Sheffield didn't keep Tai, they wouldn't have been able to fit in Holder, which would mean they'd still have Ellis in the team!

[szkocjasid]

Well done Ipswich, thought Sheffield would have done better than that. 

Pleased for the Ipswich fans, as it's been a long time since they've won a "major" trophy

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, TTT said:

That's Ipswich's first title this season.

Chris Holder complaining about a track that isn't a Polish carpet rug lol, I've got no idea why Sheffield signed him knowing they had to visit Ipswich and Wolves in their crunch meetings, The guy is mentally beaten before the meetings even get started at those tracks, Sacking Kerr was beyond stupid.

Sacking Kerr wasn't their plan, they wanted rid of Ellis, same with Leicester, they didn't want to get rid of Harris but were keen to replace Batchelor. Could even say the same for Joe T at Scunthorpe, all 3 riders dropped because of issues elsewhere in their teams.

[TTT]

1 minute ago, szkocjasid said:

Sacking Kerr wasn't their plan, they wanted rid of Ellis, same with Leicester, they didn't want to get rid of Harris but were keen to replace Batchelor. Could even say the same for Joe T at Scunthorpe, all 3 riders dropped because of issues elsewhere in their teams.

Should've just sacked Ellis and got a 5.00 pointer in.

Sacking Kerr to accommodate a complainer (Holder) who's going to struggle in crucial matches on the road at tracks he hates (Ips & Wol) is just a dumb move imo.

Sheffield shot themselves in the foot with their double team change imo because Kerr and Ellis are more suited to Foxhall and Monmore than C. Holder and an out of depth No.6.

[Gavan]

7 minutes ago, TTT said:

Should've just sacked Ellis and got a 5.00 pointer in.

Sacking Kerr to accommodate a complainer (Holder) who's going to struggle in crucial matches on the road at tracks he hates (Ips & Wol) is just a dumb move imo.

Sheffield shot themselves in the foot with their double team change imo because Kerr and Ellis are more suited to Foxhall and Monmore than C. Holder and an out of depth No.6.

Couldn’t agree more 

Holder a proper whinger

And as I said earlier didn’t come out for his medal

Musielek was a credit to his club shaking hands with us Ipswich fans and saying well done….. chalk and cheese to a moaning Aussie