TTT Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Brilliant Ht 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 turgid. how did masters get another go there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, truthsayer said: It's been so boring not a single rider has been coming on strong. To be fair, I wrote that 30 seconds before that 'speedway out of the top drawer' Proper speedway. Very entertaining. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Wow cracking race in heat 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 wow excellent stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Heat 10 they must have been listening Problem is waiting till race 10 for a decent race 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: You would need to promote it with big prize money... Bottom line though will be that plenty of riders will need to earn, so they will be available. The current team sport model has driven thousands away due its completely contrived operating plan, which engenders zero emotional attachment, so, what really is the point of doing the same old, same old, every year..? All the tracks closing over the past 10 years shows it clearly doesn't work... Unfortunately those that run the sport do not keep up with the changing circumstances and for speedway to survive many clubs need to look at the likes of a Workington set up. Tracks close to major conurbations are not going to work with planning authorities siding with developers on the benefits of alternative uses for the land that many tracks occupy and local authorities are under pressure to increase revenue which sports venues like a Wolverhampton or a Peterborough are not going to offer. Build several thousand houses or major commercial units and the local council are going to see and uplift in revenue compared to the rateable income of a dirt racing track. Sadly the decline will continue and league racing will fade into history. No one party is to blame but collectively the way speedway is managed as a sport and its failure to adapt to changes, its masters who have allowed their self interests to override the well being of the sport and the riders who believe someone owes them a living are all major factors as to why the sport Is in decline and why it will take a super human sacrifice to recover. Can it do it, I doubt that those involved see the issues let alone rally enough collective support to save the day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, Noelinho said: OK, I’ll put it another way. Get rid of the leagues tomorrow and the sport dies tomorrow - not in five years. Not a chance... The riders need to earn money... A way forward would be found to keep the sport going.. Akin to the IOW maybe? Team Speedway in the UK has delivered what we have today... With the glaring fact when you look at the stadiums, that not enough punters, (many of whom follow the sport closely), buy into it and take it seriously enough to warrent spending their income on it.. A dead horse that they need to stop flogging, and, instead, try to find a new one to ride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not a chance... The riders need to earn money... A way forward would be found to keep the sport going.. Akin to the IOW maybe? Team Speedway in the UK has delivered what we have today... With the glaring fact when you look at the stadiums, that not enough punters, (many of whom follow the sport closely), buy into it and take it seriously enough to warrent spending their income on it.. A dead horse that they need to stop flogging, and, instead, try to find a new one to ride... At some stage there needs to be a transition, where speedway promotors don't just rely on team racing and where there is a mix of professional team racing, pay to play amateur racing and individual meetings. Promotors need to be able to have more freedom in what they run, and when they run. Looking at darts, for example, pro tours and legends tours could fill a gap in the inevitable calendar caused by the lack of team events. A meaningful multi-round British championship for individual riders is another potential series, but ultimately it needs to be part of a transition and a long term plan to get more local competitors, more venues, more practice facilities and sustainable business models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) The days of tracks spread far and wide are, unfortunately, over. The future, if there is to be one, will revolve around a few 'hubs' based on geography. Edited August 28, 2023 by Wolfsbane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 I wouldn't mind these presenters getting a bit giddy here and there, if there was something to get giddy about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not a chance... The riders need to earn money... A way forward would be found to keep the sport going.. Akin to the IOW maybe? Team Speedway in the UK has delivered what we have today... With the glaring fact when you look at the stadiums, that not enough punters, (many of whom follow the sport closely), buy into it and take it seriously enough to warrent spending their income on it.. A dead horse that they need to stop flogging, and, instead, try to find a new one to ride... Amateur riders, grasstrack bikes on shale, upright bikes? That's bound to develop the next generation of riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, topsoil said: Amateur riders, grasstrack bikes on shale, upright bikes? That's bound to develop the next generation of riders. Here's part of the problem, all speedway riders are 'professional' - no one wants to be amateur. If you are starting out then you are an amateur. What's your point caller? Speedway needs new riders, whatever they are riding, wherever they are riding, they need to develop a pool of new riders. The cream will rise, but frankly the pool is so small they just need riders. Quite a few road racers start out on classic bikes. If the next top British star starts out riding his granda's old Jawa in an amateur upright meeting I would say that's certainly developing the next generation of rider. The obsession with the current team structure is offputting for newcomers - spectators and competitors. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, truthsayer said: Here's part of the problem, all speedway riders are 'professional' - no one wants to be amateur. If you are starting out then you are an amateur. What's your point caller? Speedway needs new riders, whatever they are riding, wherever they are riding, they need to develop a pool of new riders. The cream will rise, but frankly the pool is so small they just need riders. Quite a few road racers start out on classic bikes. If the next top British star starts out riding his granda's old Jawa in an amateur upright meeting I would say that's certainly developing the next generation of rider. The obsession with the current team structure is offputting for newcomers - spectators and competitors. I find it strange that the meeting at Peterborough was all done by 21.15 yet there wasn’t an opportunity for youngsters to get out and have a go, especially with a 10pm curfew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 9 hours ago, JoeW436 said: I find it strange that the meeting at Peterborough was all done by 21.15 yet there wasn’t an opportunity for youngsters to get out and have a go, especially with a 10pm curfew? It was a fantastic meeting too - that’s where the TV cameras should have been! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 10 hours ago, topsoil said: Amateur riders, grasstrack bikes on shale, upright bikes? That's bound to develop the next generation of riders. You clearly haven't taken a close enough look at what the IOW do. Most of the meetings feature traditional speedway with riders at National League / Championships standard. All of the meetings include junior racing, brining through kids who will be the next generation They put so much effort into everything they do. If all other clubs had the same ethos as Martin and Barry instill on the IOW then British Speedway would be in a far better place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, maneacat said: It was a fantastic meeting too - that’s where the TV cameras should have been! Cup matches aren't televised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 hours ago, tellboy said: It's not to my liking,but i don't want to see any club disappear. Agree no real speedway fan wants to see any club disappear, at this rate those few clubs that are secure will have no one to race againt if this current trend continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Hawk127 said: It is if you are trying to run some sort of league. No Wolves and I doubt whether the league can continue in its current format. Why should any team jeopardise it’s very existence by moving up to join and expensive operating model racing on nights that do not suit the the local business model. In my view it is a shame that another team bites the dust and league racing at the top level is questionable and I wonder how many fans of the sport would turn out for open meetings if you had no league racing. Be careful what you wish for. After 55 years following speedway if we had no league speedway i would walk away from it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, bellevueace said: After 55 years following speedway if we had no league speedway i would walk away from it. Me too.League racing is what it's all about. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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